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re: UGA Season Long Basketball Thread (18-15, 7-11); Georgia to decline NIT bid
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:03 pm to Barstools
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:03 pm to Barstools
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about the coach when players are taking terrible shots, turning the ball over
No, it’s not. When we get up and decide to go to the stall offense only to take a contested shot late on the shot clock that can also be on the coach. When we haven’t been able to break a press in Fox’s entire tenure and I can think of multiple games off the top of my head we’ve blown massive leads in the last minute and a half because of our inability to close out games.
I’m not nearly as anti-fox as a lot of people, and yes, Yante not making FTs down the stretch absolutely hurt us. But Yante not making free throws is not a common thing. He’s an 80% shooter which is fantastic for a big man.
Our struggles to break a press have been an issue for way too long. We inbound the ball to the corner like every decent coach tries to avoid. We don’t get open well because we don’t set great screens or have good movement. It’s just incredibly frustrating.
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Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:05 pm to SumterCoDawg
So he's not coaching them to miss FTs, throw the ball away and take terrible shots? You're right, I don't get it. I could have sworn by reading this thread that he was. You guys need to make up your minds.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:18 pm to Barstools
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So he's not coaching them to miss FTs, throw the ball away and take terrible shots? You're right, I don't get it. I could have sworn by reading this thread that he was. You guys need to make up your minds.
Goodness gracious man you’re dense. The issue isn’t that he’s coaching them to screw up. It’s that he’s not coaching them well enough to make sure they do the right thing. That is his job. Free throw shooting, half court execution, and breaking the press are things that teams/people get better with proper coaching.
I get players can be at fault. Hightower made a bad play, Yante missed FTs, but what is the common denominator when this happens all the time?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 11:29 pm to Dawgsontop34
Fox is a very good defensive coach. But stats back up that he is not a very good offensive coach.
I’ll pull them up tomorrow when I’m not busy, but we turn the ball over and have a worse shooting percentage than at least half the NCAA every single year. I believe there’s been one year (out of 9) where we have turned the ball over less than our opponents. But yeah, keep saying it’s a player issue and coaches have nothing to do with it.
I’ll pull them up tomorrow when I’m not busy, but we turn the ball over and have a worse shooting percentage than at least half the NCAA every single year. I believe there’s been one year (out of 9) where we have turned the ball over less than our opponents. But yeah, keep saying it’s a player issue and coaches have nothing to do with it.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:08 am to Dawgsontop34
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But yeah, keep saying it’s a player issue and coaches have nothing to do with it.
I never said that. Not even once.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:28 am to Barstools
At the very least, you have made that implication in the recent past, but you claim to not care, so why post so much about a thing you dont care about?
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 3:29 am
Posted on 3/2/18 at 6:38 am to Barstools
Yeah you're definitely on the spectrum.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 9:58 am to SumterCoDawg
Ad hominem always improve an argument.
As I gave maintained, for the entire season, it's more than just coaching. Which, as written, means coaching is to blame as well.
As I gave maintained, for the entire season, it's more than just coaching. Which, as written, means coaching is to blame as well.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 10:26 am to Barstools
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But it's annoying that all anyone wants to do is bitch about the coach when players are taking terrible shots, turning the ball over and missing FTs. That's not coaching, thats execution.
It's also annoying when people attempt to excuse poor coaching by taking individual scenarios and trying to indicate that they are more important than the totality of the game that was played.
The reality is that in any loss by one possession, you can always point to a play or player and say "if X just does Y, then we win that game"... because it's very easy to do... The issue is the commonality in all of those close losses... has Yante been the general cause for success or failure this year? Is it reasonable to try and lay the blame at the feet of a player who has literally dragged the team kicking and screaming to a winning record in spite of the coaching deficiencies?
If Fox does a better job in that game making decisions earlier, we're not in a position where Yante missing the free throws is the decider. Remove Yante from the game on the other hand, and we lose by 20+...
Arguing that a pair of missed free throws is the deciding factor is roughly equivalent to blaming a football loss on a missed 45 yard field goal attempt. At this point, the percentages are not terribly dissimilar (top 40 kickers averaged 67.3% on 40-49 yard field goals... jumps to 86.2% on 30-39 yarders... most of those 40-49 yard misses come from outside of 45.). As a team, we've shot 70% from the stripe this year. In the game, we shot 62.5%... making 2 more would have been 75%...
I'm more than happy to say Player X should have done Y in game Z, but at some point, you have to recognize that while the player responsible may change from game to game, the repeated nature of it is undeniable... Ultimately, it also doesn't alleviate the issue that Mark Fox should have done a lot more in 9 seasons...
Also... to the point of taking bad shots and turning the ball over, that is definitely coaching. We've been a poor team in that regard for a good chunk of the season - 385 Turnovers this season... good for 166th. 225 in conference play... good for 12/14. While we're at it, free throws - 70.6% good for 207th nationally; in conference play 69.9% good for 8/14... those are numbers that don't come down to a single play or single player that Fox does have some degree of control over...
Honestly not sure why you are bothering with reading the thread at this point, as it is your opinion that Basketball doesn't matter.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 11:25 am
Posted on 3/2/18 at 10:32 am to fibonaccisquared
Which person gets paid $2 million?
Oh yeah, the coach. I only try to blame players when they make mistakes that I don't feel like I would make (see: Edwards, Mike).
Oh yeah, the coach. I only try to blame players when they make mistakes that I don't feel like I would make (see: Edwards, Mike).
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:31 am to Dawgsontop34
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Which person gets paid $2 million?
I try not to go down the paid/unpaid route on this, as it's obviously easy to just throw blame at the coach because he's paid and theoretically at least... the players are not. (Looking at you Louisville, et al
) But that's where you start to evaluate not just a single game, but a season, or in Fox's case, multiple seasons... the trends are there. We're a poorly coached team offensively, period. Part of that is due to failure to recruit better, but so many of the mistakes are self inflicted and coachable that it's not fair to exclusively use that as a crutch either.
Players can own some of the responsibility for sure... but it doesn't excuse the larger problem... and blaming Yante for anything at this point is borderline retarded. He probably should have just sat the remainder of the season after the last South Carolina loss... the season was legitimately done after that. The A&M game was just the formality of turning out the lights on the way out.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:35 am to devils1854
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No. He is done. He said that he was done when he left Ohio State. He has chronic problems with his body. He cant go out and recruit and coach
Ole Miss folks are saying he's reached out to them about their opening.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 11:46 am to Croot
In looking up Matta, I came across this tidbit... I knew that Ohio State was historically a good program but:
That's a pretty impressive feat (particularly prior to tournament expansion).
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Ohio State is one of only two teams (the other being Villanova) to make an NCAA Tournament appearance every decade since the 1930s.
That's a pretty impressive feat (particularly prior to tournament expansion).
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:40 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Ohio State is one of only two teams (the other being Villanova) to make an NCAA Tournament appearance every decade since the 1930s.
That's a pretty impressive feat (particularly prior to tournament expansion).
Yep, like them or not, Ohio St. is an elite program; they demand excellence.
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:34 pm to GurleyGirl
25-19 UGA with 7:12 to go 1H
This post was edited on 3/3/18 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:43 pm to IT_Dawg
Not getting hopes up. Would be nice to keep it from half of the reg. season title...
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:45 pm to dallasga6
I’d be so into this if we didn’t shite the bed against usc or A&M
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:46 pm to dallasga6
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Would be nice to keep it from half of the reg. season title..
Does give Auburn the full share, but they technically win it regardless so I'd be more than happy to take it away from Tennessee.
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:49 pm to Dawgsontop34
Playing the best game of the year thus far... but this feels eerily similar to the AU game
Posted on 3/3/18 at 5:49 pm to Dawgsontop34
Who is this team that's hitting threes?
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