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Someone explain to me where we are rule wise on fielding punts,

Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:08 pm
I know they did away with the halo but i thought UTs guys were way too close to jackson on multiple occasions last week and no call. He had to side step a defender before catching one punt. Contact on at least 2 of them, i thought should have been called, no reason to be that close for a fair catch.

Do They only call it if the punt is dropped?
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:14 pm to
I didn’t see if he was blocked into the returner during the play but officials usually only throw that flag when
1. The contact is unnecessary
2. It Impacts the catch (muff)

eta - as an official I don’t like throwing that flag unless I have to when it’s a safety issue. The rule book is a bit vague concerning that penalty for both high school and college.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:17 pm to
The blocked into gets a little carried away sometimes, if its more than a stride or two, thats no excuse.

But your understanding is similar to mine. Thought they allowed UT to walk too fine a line there and once they got away with it, they did it again.
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:28 pm to
This is technically the rule if you’re interested.

ART. 6 . . . While any free kick is in flight in or beyond the neutral zone to the receiver’s goal line or any scrimmage kick is in flight beyond the neutral zone to the receiver’s goal line, K shall not:

a. Touch the ball or R, unless blocked into the ball or R, or to ward off a blocker; or
b. Obstruct R’s path to the ball.

This prohibition applies even when no fair-catch signal is given, but it does not apply after a free kick has been touched by a receiver, or after a scrimmage kick has been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the neutral zone at the time of touching.


So by rule, yes, K touching R beyond the neutral zone during a scrimmage kick does technically mean kick catch interference has occurred. Officials aren’t going to apply that rule unless it’s egregious or impacts the play.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:36 pm to
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So by rule, yes, K touching R beyond the neutral zone during a scrimmage kick does technically mean kick catch interference has occurred. Officials aren’t going to apply that rule unless it’s egregious or impacts the play.



Being an official, if we had dropped one, you think the flag comes out then? If so, that makes sense.
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:38 pm to
Absolutely. That’s kind of an unspoken rule that we try to abide by. We could throw a flag for holding every single play too. We try to only throw them when it causes a run to bust open or a QB to escape
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:39 pm to
The only thing i would say is by not calling ut, they put the returner at further risk in the following punts.

I have never seen it so aggregiously being repeated.
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:42 pm to
And that’s where you start to see differences between officiating crews. A lot of calls like that are based on judgement and being able to see it well enough to make that call. I would have warned the defender the first time and then thrown it the second time, but if you don’t catch it the first time then it’s tough to throw it the second.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:43 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:44 pm to
Trashman, do you ever say to a coach "you better reel in so and so doing the thingy thing over there, or you're going to catch a flag" ?



Nevermind you just answered my question.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:47 pm to
I try to if I think it will keep a flag from being thrown later or again. Certain schools you have to do that or players will be swinging at each other by the 4th quarter! The well coached and disciplined team I rarely have to speak to a coach about a player
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:57 pm to
Would you have ever thrown a flag on Mark Richt for using the F word in a moment of passion?
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 1:59 pm to
Lol I only throw flags for the n word. I grew up on a football field. Swearing comes with the territory.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted by WorkinDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
9341 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:05 pm to
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Lol I only throw flags for the n word.


Then you gonna need Tommy Juan surgery...thats all I hear on a football field
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:06 pm to
quote:

Lol I only throw flags for the n word. I grew up on a football field. Swearing comes with the territory.



So a person would have to be true piece of shite to throw a flag on Mark Richt for dropping the F bomb.



Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:10 pm to
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So a person would have to be true piece of shite to throw a flag on Mark Richt for dropping the F bomb.


Penn Wagers has an ego problem
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:21 pm to
What a douche all Penn Wagers was, wanted it to be about him.
Posted by Floyd Dawg
Silver Creek, GA
Member since Jul 2018
3900 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:06 pm to
Rig, EVERY high school official I know (including yours truly) uses that technique. I don't do football, but I do other sports.

Always better to talk with the coach/captains to prevent the flag from being thrown.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Always better to talk with the coach/captains to prevent the flag from being thrown.


Why not just throw the flag and set the tone?
Posted by Trashman
Athens, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
197 posts
Posted on 11/15/21 at 4:28 pm to
With certain penalties you do. It’s hard to throw a sideline warning or 5 in the backfield in the 4th quarter when it matters while the tackle has been lining up a yard off the center’s hip the whole game.

A good general rule is if it doesn’t impact the play and it can be fixed quickly by talking to the player then give them a warning. If they do it again then hit ‘em early. We call it “preventative officiating”
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 12:40 am to
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Thought they allowed UT to walk too fine a line there and once they got away with it, they did it again.


And that's why hockey has enforcers.
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