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re: so the 2 states with legal pot have their nfl teams in the superbowl

Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:59 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:59 am to
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Weed may not impair memory, which I believe it doesnt.


Well, Science Daily disagrees with you. And you DO realize your link takes you the "The Joint Blog", right?

LINK

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And your biggest argument against pot being legal is that people gets in wrecks while high. That is so stupid. People get in wrecks from texting, you want to make cell phone use illegal, and we go back to house phones?


You DO realize that using the cell phone while driving IS illegal in most states, don't you? No. I do NOT want to make cell phones illegal...but I DO want texting and the use of cell phones while driving illegal. (As it is...because...it causes accidents) Thanks for making my point. You are being silly. You saying eating while driving causes accidents, so I want to make food illegal. PLEASE. I think you know what the point is, yet you are distorting it. There is no use talkign with you if you are going to puposely misrepresent what I am saying.

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Genesis 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of the Earth, and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, i have given every green herb for meat; and it was so."



I did not bring the Bible into this conversation. Some of the pro weed group did. However, the verse you are talkign about is grains for food....NOT marijuana. I'm sorry. I won't respond to any more of your posts. You distort and twist everything to make a point. You use pro marijuana blogs as reliable sources instead of scientific studies and you just plain lie about my arguments. there is no use talking or debating with you.


I will continue to debate with others on the subject, but I will no longer respond to your posts. no offense, but honest debate is what I am looking for.





Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:07 am to
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Your point? He also created hemlock, arsenic and puffer fish. In fact, I think he made those things for YOU! We promise not to go to the cops if you want to go indulge in any of those things, so long as you promise to do it right now.
Your point? Your comparing a harmless plant to things that can kill you. Hemp seeds are a superfood, that is the exact opposite of killing you.

So you didnt read that link? THe national institute of health, isnt good enough for you?

The jesus bit was a joke, since I really believe their religion is a joke, or atleast what it has become today. I'm going any further, but maybe i'll start it up on the offtopic.

And you really have no rebuttle, thanks for playing!
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:20 am to
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Well, Science Daily disagrees with you. And you DO realize your link takes you the "The Joint Blog", right?
So you didint read it? That was the point of using that site, b/c it said the study was done by the national institute of health? Day stoopid two?

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You DO realize that using the cell phone while driving IS illegal in most states, don't you? No. I do NOT want to make cell phones illegal...but I DO want texting and the use of cell phones while driving illegal. (As it is...because...it causes accidents) Thanks for making my point. You are being silly. You saying eating while driving causes accidents, so I want to make food illegal. PLEASE. I think you know what the point is, yet you are distorting it. There is no use talkign with you if you are going to puposely misrepresent what I am saying.


No that is your arguement, weed makes you get into wrecks so lets keep it illegal b/c of that. Why cant you make driving while high illegal? Like with alcohol, instead of wanting to keep it illegal? Go back and re read what I wrote, I think it went way over your head.

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I did not bring the Bible into this conversation. Some of the pro weed group did. However, the verse you are talkign about is grains for food....NOT marijuana. I'm sorry. I won't respond to any more of your posts. You distort and twist everything to make a point. You use pro marijuana blogs as reliable sources instead of scientific studies and you just plain lie about my arguments. there is no use talking or debating with you.


Dude let me educate you about the weed plant. The males and hermaphrodites and sometimes the females (to a far lesser extent) produce the seeds. Hemp seeds are a SUPERFOOD! Look it up on google, how healthy eating hemp seeds are. So now you can decide what the bible means, it said seed bearing herb or fruit bearing tree. IF the hemp seed is so GREAT FOR YOU (better than flax seeds, and all other seeds), then it falls in that category. Now on to the fruits. The 'fruit' is the part that gets you high, you can smoke it, vaporize it, eat it and even juice it (which is the healthiest way of all). So there, that again fall under the cagatogry of fruits. In no way is any of these bad for your health, as you are more likely to overdose from drinking too much water before you will ever overdose from smoking too much weed.

I guess you are no spin doctor. And I wasnt even quoting or replying to YOU when i wrote that. Whoeever wrote what I quoted, was who I was replying to. Geez get off your high horse.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 8:28 am
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:25 am to
The main reason why this subject is so dear to me is b/c whether you choose to believe it or not, this plant is a MEDICINE!

Youtube search of 'weed cures kid seizures'

Pro or anti pot, just watch this video and tell me that it doesnt touch you somehow. If that isnt medicine, then I dont know what is, and there is no way to convince you otherwise. PLEASE EVERYONE WATCH THIS:

medicine
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 8:27 am
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:27 am to
Is driving while high your only argument
When was the last time someone got a DUI for weed anyway
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/22/14 at 8:36 am to
That's not even close to the same thing
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Yes. Weed does do harm. You apparently choose to ignore the scientific findings about the increase in car accidents, etc. Addiction.....oh, and it impairs the ability to learn, too. But, that is a given if anyone reads this thread.

And you ignore the positives. Like inhibiting cancer growth and treating epilepsy
Posted by BoulderDawg34
Boulder CO
Member since Sep 2012
327 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 10:37 am to
DawgsLyfe, why do you keep bringing up heroin and meth when responding to me? We are talking about MJ. It is not the same. MJ is a plant that does not need to be processed like heroin(poppy plant) or cocaine(coca leaves). The "high" is not the same. There are strains with super low THC and high CBD content that have been shown to alleviate debilitating seizures. Do you want to deny these children who are being helped by this medicine the right to life b/c of your moral stance and your fear of people driving high? I also noticed you didn't respond to my post about hemp. What is your stance on industrial hemp? And be aware, our founding fathers grew it and said to plant it everywhere. It was the biggest cash crop of our budding new country. I know people like you. Most of my family thinks like you. You take things to absurd lengths in your argument against it. I never said cocaine and heroin should be legal. Perhaps we could take the LE resources fighting weed to fight harmful, hard drugs. But like I said, heroin addiction and overdoses have spiked since we invaded Afhanistan, you know, the place where 90% of the world's heroin comes from. Interesting, wouldn't you say. I can argue all day with you about this b/c I am informed on the issue and you obviously are not.

dawgsjw, that is a great video. thanks for posting.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 10:57 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 1:57 pm to
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Is driving while high your only argument
When was the last time someone got a DUI for weed anyway



We have thousands driving while drunk...we will have thousands more dying because some high is driving on the roads. I guess thousands of innocent lives being taken just isn't as important as you getting high.

It doesn't matter how many people have been pulled over for being high.

Here is an article by one of our fine upstanding weed promoters:

If you’re like any average marijuana smoker some of the best times, and the worst times you can remember (or not remember) occurred on the road while you’re blasting rap music, or heavy metal, or while you’re just finishing off a blunt.

LINK /

The article gives all kinds of useful information telling people to remember to drive while driving and smoking weed.

Here are 10 things you need to remember while driving high:

Driving. This may seem like a given, but your main focus while being high and in a car is driving. If you get distracted for even one second, this could mean the difference between life and death, a ticket, or even jail time. So drive as perfect as you can, don’t ride someone’s arse while you’re high, that’s just waiting for an accident.
Speed. If you’re going to speed, don’t do it while you’re high, or while you’ve got marijuana on you. Go either the exact speed limit or a little under. The hardest time I often have while driving high is maintaining a constant speed, it should always be on your mind. Cops love to wait around school zones and pick off speeding cars. It’s so easy to just go the normal speed limit, even if it’s not that fast, but you want to go the specified speed limit, ’cause if you get caught with anything within like 1000ft. of a school that’s a felony, and we’d like to avoid those things. It’s very easy to drift off into your high zone and neglect to remember that you should be going 45 and you’re only going 20.
Stop signs. Stop signs are a menace to all stoners under the influence. Sure, they might seem innocent, but it’s easy to not see one, or forget that you stopped at one five minutes ago and are still sitting there. I know I’ve had this happen on a number of occasions, I’ll be having an intense discussion with a friend, and then realize 4 minutes later that I’m still sitting at a stop sign.
Buses. Buses you will forget to stop for, I know I have a hard enough time stopping for them even when I’m not high. No, it’s not cause I like running over children, but it’s just one of those things that you don’t really think about until it’s too late. How often do you really have to stop for a bus? Typically once in a blue moon so you’re never really used to it. Remember, you even have to stop if the bus is on the other side of the road. (I know, it’s crazy, right?) It’s easy to forget while you’re high and that will get lots of points off your license and a ticket, or a dead kid and cops searching your car.
Weather. This might seem like a big deal, but I always used to love going out and driving in the snow when I was blazed, until one day I pretty much ran off the road due to ice that froze over the road surface. I wasn’t speeding or anything, in fact, I was going slower due to the ice and snow, but not slow enough, and it was right before a turn, so my car slid when I hit the brakes. Trust me, being high is not the time to have maneuver icy and snowy road conditions. If you must go outside high while it’s snowing and icy make sure you’re going as slow as possible, even slower than the old lady in front of you. Also be careful when it is raining it’s not as bad as ice or snow, but you still have to be careful while driving high.
Traffic lights. Just like them stop signs, you have to be careful of traffic lights, particularly what color they are. There are many times when you look at a light one time, it’s green, and you’re almost at the intersection, but the next time you get distracted it’s already red and you’re running the light. Something stupid and easily avoided like that could land you in jail, “Oh I’m sorry Officer, I didn’t see the red light” won’t cut it when he can see that your eyes are bloodshot and you reek of marijuana.
People. People are just one of those things that you always have to keep an eye out for. Especially in parking lots and around schools. I know that when I’m walking in a parking lot I keep an eye out for crazy people, but will generally just walk across the street since I know pedestrians have the right of way and whoever hits me will owe me a few thousand or so plus medical bills. Unfortunately, other people know that too and will just walk right out in front of you, so if you’re blazed and in a parking lot, watch out for those little old ladies.
Confusing Intersections. These are best to be avoided when you’re driving high. Confusing intersections are one of the easiest way to trip yourself up while under the influence, especially if you don’t drive them often. The best tip I can give you for these is to just take it slow, and if the light is red, don’t go, or if you have a stop sign, take a minute (I said a minute, not five minutes) to scope it out so you know where you’re going. Something to especially look out for is turning into unfamiliar parking lots, or places off of the road, ’cause a lot of times you’ll end up missing actual turning spot and taking a short cut in the grass or in a ditch. Sometimes they’re just too hard to see, especially at night.
Other cars. The biggest problem with driving high is you just don’t know what anyone is going to do, especially with all these crazy sober people driving around. If anyone hits you while high, you better sober up fast, because when you or them file the accident report with the police and they found out you’re under the influence that will automatically set you up for a bad day. Granted, the cops might not notice it, but they might.
Cops. Oh, did I mention cops? Yep, cops, they are your number one enemy on the road. Generally, if you’re just high, you won’t have anything to worry about. It’s a lot worse if you got something on you. Though, cops could still charge you with driving under the influence, but out of all the times I’ve been pulled over (5-6) they never have, but that’s probably due to the fact that they would need a lot of evidence to prove it in court.


You guys are geniuses.
This post was edited on 1/22/14 at 2:07 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 1:59 pm to
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hat's not even close to the same thing


Did, or did you not say that weed does no harm? So....yes. It IS the same thing.


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And you ignore the positives. Like inhibiting cancer growth and treating epilepsy


No I don't. I have acknowledged several times that there are some legitimate uses for marijuana. Which brings me to point #2. You aren't reading a word I have written. So....why bother arguing with you?
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 3:34 pm to
That's basically a list of basic driving instructions

If this guy who is stoned can do it then obviously being high while driving is not as serious

Show me some evidence and not you just spouting shite
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 3:36 pm to
U serious?

Weed does very little harm and is not on the level of coke

Why the hell do you keep going back there?

Is it because you have nothing to say?

Weed has plenty of pros with less cons then your basic OTC drug
Posted by dawgsjw
Member since Dec 2012
2114 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 5:40 pm to
dawgfan, you are right, that dude has nothing to say, thats why hes done 'debating'. We are both replying to his debate, yet he ignores all the facts we present and keeps coming back about how driving high is bad. Yeah well guess what, they can make harsher penalties for driving high like with alcohol. But no, he ignores this and tries to relate coke or meth to it somehow.

He must watch Bill O'rielly show where Bill tries to relate smoking weed to teens texting. It made no sense and there was no relation, yet that was another reason for him to keep it illegal. Some ppl say anything.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:54 pm to
No use showing you "evidence". I have given you link after link after link showing that accidents double when driving after smoking weed.
I have given you link after link after link showing how it is addictive.

You all just ignore those and say such scientific things as
"I smoked and never got addicted, so you can't get addicted to marijuana."

So, tell me...since you reject the scientific evidence I have given you...what evidence would you accept?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 6:58 pm to
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Do you want to deny these children who are being helped by this medicine the right to life b/c of your moral stance and your fear of people driving high?


Seriously? So...you only care about the children, right? YOU wouldn't smoke it if it were legal.


So why can't you answer one simple question?

Have you ever driven after smoking marijuana?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:05 pm to
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What is your stance on industrial hemp?


I have no stance on it. I don't know enough about it.

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And be aware, our founding fathers grew it and said to plant it everywhere.


Look....do you honestly know enough about our founding fathers to post on what they did or did not do? Did you know that many of them were smugglers? We are not dealing with our founding fathers.

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I know people like you.


No. You don't. You know nothing about me, so how could you POSSIBLY know people like me?

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You take things to absurd lengths in your argument against it.


Seriously? You mean like...."I used to smoke pot and i never became addicted, so pot is not addictive!"

You mean absurd arguments like that?

Or...it's for the children! It's not so I can get high! I only want it legalized for others!

Absurd arguments like those?








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But like I said, heroin addiction and overdoses have spiked since we invaded Afhanistan, you know, the place where 90% of the world's heroin comes from. Interesting, wouldn't you say.


Interesting? yes. relevant? No. What's your point about it?

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I can argue all day with you about this b/c I am informed on the issue and you obviously are not.



Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:12 pm to
I would smoke it
But at the same time it would benefit those in medical need

Also marijuana maybe addictive but it is nowhere near as bad as cigarettes

And I have never got behind the wheel while drunk or stoned

In fact LINK
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The majority of pot smokers do not develop a marijuana addiction, but some smokers do develop all the symptoms of an actual addiction after chronic marijuana use.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:16 pm to
Also driving while high mot as dangerous as you so claim it to be
LINK
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Although cannabis intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting. In driving simulator tests, this impairment is typically manifested by subjects decreasing their driving speed and requiring greater time to respond to emergency situations.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
59019 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:17 pm to
I'll tell =you what. I'm going to give you guys one more shot. here are links to numerous scientific studies. Refurte them if you can....but don't give me any more "I didn't get addicted, so it isn't addictive" arguments. taht's just plain infantile.

THC is a relatively harmless drug for the human body but the problem is that to get THC into their systems, most people choose to smoke it and that’s where it can become dangerous. Scientific analyses of marijuana smoke, cited in Iversen’s book, have identified at least 6,000 of the same chemicals in marijuana smoke as are present in tobacco smoke. Smoked marijuana and smoked tobacco are chemically very similar, the main difference between them being the THC in marijuana and the nicotine in tobacco.

LINK

Mar. 1, 2012 — A major downside of the medical use of marijuana is the drug's ill effects on working memory, the ability to transiently hold and process information for reasoning, comprehension and learning.

LINK


Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker?s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells. Obviously, this suggests the conclusion, which is well-supported by scientific studies, that the use of marijuana as a medical therapy can and does have a very serious negative effect on patients with pre-existing immune deficits resulting from AIDS, organ transplantation, or cancer chemotherapy, the very conditions for which marijuana has most often been touted and suggested as a treatment. It has also been shown that marijuana use can accelerate the progression of HIV to full-blown AIDS and increase the occurrence of infections and Kaposi?s sarcoma. In addition, patients with weak immune systems will be even less able to defend themselves against the various respiratory cancers and conditions to which consistent marijuana use has been linked, and which are discussed briefly under "Respiratory Illnesses."

LINK


Now. if you want to argue with Harvard, and Science daily, then have at it.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:17 pm to
So in short weed is not very addictive nor does it greatly affect your driving ability

But if you want you can give DUIs out
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49438 posts
Posted on 1/22/14 at 7:19 pm to
Uhh I can find Harvard studies that are pro weed and they aren't from the 90's
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