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re: Really surprised we didn't see JT yesterday. Especially in the 4th.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:56 am to Peter Buck
Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:56 am to Peter Buck
I’ve said this a lot, but the issue is that Stetson has been reckless with the ball way too often against anyone with the athletes to be competitive, with the only exception being Auburn.
ETA: I actually think we have a decent shot at winning it all playing bully ball this year, but that goes out the window if Stetson throws three picks against OSU or Alabama in the playoffs. The playoff setup makes consistency of decision-making absolutely critical if we’re going to play this way.
ETA: I actually think we have a decent shot at winning it all playing bully ball this year, but that goes out the window if Stetson throws three picks against OSU or Alabama in the playoffs. The playoff setup makes consistency of decision-making absolutely critical if we’re going to play this way.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 11:57 am to Crowknowsbest
JT throws INT's too.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:00 pm to deeprig9
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JT throws INT's too.
All QBs throw INTs, but not at the same rate. I mean Stetson has made multiple horrid, inexplicable decisions with the ball in games against Alabama and Florida x2. I can’t pretend that that’s not a massive red flag.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:01 pm to Peter Buck
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2 turnovers which hurt
When Stet peeled off three badass games in a row, we were told our support of his starting position was based on "recency bias" by the same people who are losing their minds over how he played on Saturday.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:02 pm to GADAWG2017
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we need a pure passer.
We haven't needed a pure passer yet this season. Everyone (except for a few individuals with a good 'ol boy bias) knows that Bennett is not an elite QB and never will be...no matter how many years he hangs around. They realize that we've been winning all season because of a dominant defense and/or because we're playing opponents that are hopelessly overmatched. That's a credit to years of top three recruiting classes.
But that's Kirby's dream situation, anyway. He'll play that as long as he can. I honestly think he would throw 10-15 passes a game if he could do so and win. That's his coaching DNA.
Is Bennett destined for the NFL? No. Not even close. But if we can continue to win games in this manner, Kirby may see no need for a QB like Daniels. Stetson would be the next Buck Belue and no one outside of Georgia will remember his name in a few years.
Of course, that's the big "if." Playing teams like Oklahoma, OSU, or Alabama will be different than a 4-4 Florida team.
Personally, I think Smart can lose in the playoffs with Daniels and it won't become a question mark. However, if he loses along the way with Bennett, it will become strike #2 after the Fromm/Fields questions and I think he will become known as shortsighted when it comes to QBs.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:03 pm to Crowknowsbest
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All QBs throw INTs, but not at the same rate. I mean Stetson has made multiple horrid, inexplicable decisions with the ball in games against Alabama and Florida x2. I can’t pretend that that’s not a massive red flag
At this point in the season, he's got a bigger body of work than he ever did last season, right? Are you still going to hold last year's bama and uf games against him? How far back should we go? JT's first year at USC wasn't sunshine and rainbows, but guys can get better.
Certainly you can admit that 2021 Stetson does not look at all like 2020 Stetson.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:05 pm to deeprig9
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Certainly you can admit that 2021 Stetson does not look at all like 2020 Stetson.
Of course he looks better than last year, but the WTF decisions are still there enough to give me serious concern.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:07 pm to Crowknowsbest
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he looks better than last year
I would say that 30% is his improvement and 70% is that the team is better than last year.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:16 pm to Crowknowsbest
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All QBs throw INTs, but not at the same rate. I mean Stetson has made multiple horrid, inexplicable decisions with the ball in games against Alabama and Florida x2. I can’t pretend that that’s not a massive red flag.
Last year Monken had no time to work with Stetson before he was thrown in the Arkansas game out of necessity. Since then he has been able to see his strengths and weaknesses and has schemed around them.
Anyone that throws up the Bama and Florida 2020 games as their sole evidence is giving a weak argument. I'm not saying Stet is better than JT. I'm just saying throw out last season when you make your comparisons.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:34 pm to AlaCowboy
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I'm just saying throw out last season when you make your comparisons.
I would agree prior to Saturday's game. That was a clear regression game for Stetson. He had nothing to do with the halftime lead...nothing whatsoever.
Stetson can execute within the rhythm of the play. The cleaner the pocket and the longer he had to survey the field- the worse his decision making appeared. I'm not limiting this to the INT's. Several times he would stand back there for what seemed like an eternity, then throw into coverage underneath when there was a wide open guy 20 yards downfield...in his line of site.
That performance in the SECC and beyond would force UGA into a very different game than we are accustomed to. And frankly, none of us know how this team would handle it....I'd just assume keep it that way!
Posted on 11/1/21 at 12:51 pm to AlaCowboy
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I'm just saying throw out last season when you make your comparisons.
OK. The two picks Stetson threw on Saturday were both the result of remarkably poor decisions with virtually zero chance of a positive outcome, and it is reasonable for people to see that and question the degree to which we can trust the QB to make solid decisions in big moments.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:02 pm to WorkinDawg
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I would agree prior to Saturday's game. That was a clear regression game for Stetson. He had nothing to do with the halftime lead...nothing whatsoever.
Nothing? Come on dude. Go watch it again.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:20 pm to Crowknowsbest
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OK. The two picks Stetson threw on Saturday were both the result of remarkably poor decisions with virtually zero chance of a positive outcome, and it is reasonable for people to see that and question the degree to which we can trust the QB to make solid decisions in big moments
We assume both were bad decisions. The first one, something was wrong. 7 and 86 ran into eachother’s routes. Stetson threw it like 86 was gonna run a 9 route and 7 a post. 86 ran an out and up and I have no idea what they call the route 7 ran. Likely some blame to go around. The second was a bad throw I assume. If he was gonna throw it to him, it needed to be on the outside.
Yet, he has beaten numerous ranked teams this year and has been excellent in protecting the ball. People will see what they want to see.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:39 pm to Peter Buck
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Yet, he has beaten numerous ranked teams this year and has been excellent in protecting the ball.
I would just say that not all ranked teams are created equal. Beating Arkansas and Kentucky at home are not the same as winning playoff games against title contenders, and it’s hard for me not to be concerned about the uptick in turnovers with Bennett in our biggest games.
I would hate for the turnovers to pop up later on when it’s either too late or the team we are playing is too good to bounce back.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 1:47 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I would hate for the turnovers to pop up later on when it’s either too late or the team we are playing is too good to bounce back.
This is the pitching coach mentality. Better to pull him too early than too late. I respect your opinion. I just don't agree with it. Mainly because I think many people's memory of JT's greatness is probably a little over-exaggerated, and people's memory of Stetson's struggles are also little over-exaggerated. I think this leads to the pitching coach mentality in above quote.
Let me also add- straight from JT's mouth - he credits most of his success last year to George Pickens. He threw 50/50 balls to him all the time and Pickens usually made the play. JT described it as 'When you throw a 50/50 ball to George, it's really an 80/20 ball".
We don't know how well JT would do today, against another elite team, without pickens, and possibly being rusty. We don't know.
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:30 pm to deeprig9
JT has a lot of good qualities and when the time comes, if we need him, I will be hoping for his success . If we want to judge him in the same light as Stetson… JT threw 10 picks in the only season he played the majority of snaps. JT lost his starting job at USC, hence, why he is here. JT throws off his back foot , which causes him to use his arm more to throw. Wonder if that is part of his injury issue. JT is not very mobile. In his only full season, he was sacked 25 times. JT has 2 Ints in very limited duty this season. Bennett has 4 with a lot more attempts.
We have 2 1st string QBs. Both with different upsides. 1 has been hurt more than 1/2 his games here. Yet, he is held up on a pedestal, while the one getting it done is vilified. It is very bizarre
We have 2 1st string QBs. Both with different upsides. 1 has been hurt more than 1/2 his games here. Yet, he is held up on a pedestal, while the one getting it done is vilified. It is very bizarre
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:35 pm to Peter Buck
Well put, all wbs have bad games. More aggravated over the grounding call whichay have been a wrong route.
1 int was better than a punt amd set up the defense well, the other one, well they happen.
1 int was better than a punt amd set up the defense well, the other one, well they happen.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 2:50 pm to Peter Buck
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Yet, he has beaten numerous ranked teams this year and has been excellent in protecting the ball. People will see what they want to see.
but...but...but, his worst game this season is the only one to judge him by, according to the experts in here.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:22 pm to Peter Buck
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I would agree prior to Saturday's game. That was a clear regression game for Stetson. He had nothing to do with the halftime lead...nothing whatsoever.
Nothing? Come on dude. Go watch it again.
3-3 tie, 2 min left, UF had the ball. We were going in at halftime tied best case. The wheels coming off for UF had nothing to do with Stetson. He made a nice throw after getting a short field. The others plays were a run and a pick-6. I think that's a fair statement.
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:27 pm to WorkinDawg
Hey.He threw the pick that set up the short field for us.
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