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re: PSA:. Copperheads are out, one bit one of my dogs this week,

Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:03 pm to
My close call with a rattler happened in my youth.

Was out hiking and kept hearing rattle, paused, looked back and saw nothing. Started up and the rattle started up. Stopped, looked back, saw nothing.

Looked down and rattler had bitten the heel of my hiking boot and gotten stuck. Guess I had crushed it while hiking and killed and was just taking it for a drag after that.

As for folks reading this thread, no need to kill any non threatening non poisonous snakes. Same with spiders. Let them be and they will let you be.


Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:49 pm to
Gotta love Misunderstood Spider







Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 8:53 pm to
Satanic government criminals take half your earnings by threat of incarceration and/or death = Shrug... Oh well.


Snake bites your dog (that deserved it) = I WILL KILL THIS SNAKE AND IT'S INNOCENT FAMILY!







Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:10 pm to
Who can deny, who can deny it's not just a change of style.


One step done and another begun, and I wonder how many miles.


I spent a little time on the mountain. I spent a little time on the hill.

I heard some say better run away. Others say better stand still.

One way or another.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:14 pm to
Snake bites your dog = DIE BITCH!



Government cancer literally kills humans and steals = "WHEN ARE MY TAXES DUE, SIR????"
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:51 pm to
I seeeee the path ahead of me.


In a minute I'll be free.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 1:43 am to
frick, it's not binary, you can hate snakes and politicians which are basically two of the same thing.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54617 posts
Posted on 5/11/19 at 10:11 pm to
Snakes > Politicians

Unless you are this snake

Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:55 pm to
You spent 20 years teaching how to identify a poisonous snake vs a non poisonous snake?

Are you aware that there are hardly any poisonous snakes in the world? Venom is the toxin that venomous snakes produce and inject into their prey or into a predator. Poison is something that you eat or drink. A Garter snake is poisonous....if you eat it.

Just funny that you spent 20 years describing copperheads, cottonmouths, and rattlers as poisonous rather than venomous. Seems like you would have known this.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:51 pm to
buddy of mine got bit...about $80K later he was fine....nasty critters. Another friend who used to an extension agent in Columbia county told me once that if you had a 1/4 acre lot almost anywhere in the state you had a copperhead on your place....he was talking about people living in town and subdivisions not knowing that copperheads were everywhere...


my lab has been bitten by western diamond backs about 8 - 10 times...doesn't phase her!!!! The first time it happened I loaded her in the truck, left a boat and 3 dozen decoys and rushed to the vet. Dude acted like I had lost my mind...says dogs are basically immune short of some swelling and a little pain. She HATES snakes....constantly killing the damned things. They are thick in New Mexico and Washington of all places.....cant hunt in New Mexico until about the end of quail in March without seeing the damned things...
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:59 pm to
It took two whole pages for Germandog to make it about him.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 8:08 am to
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It took two whole pages for Germandog to make it about him.


LOL...

I did mention someone else getting bit and addressed concerns about dogs getting bitten....pretty amazing that a dog can get bit and not suffer any great consequences....
Posted by NytroBud
LaFayette
Member since Jun 2009
4042 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 3:30 pm to
pretty amazing that a dog can get bit and not suffer any great consequences....

My grandmothers lab suffered a snake bite on the end of the nose and it rotted off.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 5:22 pm to
Many variables. Venomous snakes don't always release the same amount of venom in a strike, some even dry-strike with zero venom. Comparing one dog's snake bite to another is pointless.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/14/19 at 7:46 pm to
The first dog I ever had was killed by a rattlesnake when I was 6 years old.

Technically it died when my dad shot it in the head with a shotgun to put it out of it's misery. But, it was either that or watch it slowly suffocate to death.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

pretty amazing that a dog can get bit and not suffer any great consequences.... My grandmothers lab suffered a snake bite on the end of the nose and it rotted off.


Id bet the lab couldn't have cared less...it could still lick its arse and lay in the sunshine...having your nose rot off is horrible for an animal who is self aware...labs are not self aware. So if a person gets rattlesnake bit in the nose they most likely die if they don't get help. If they do get help they most likely suffer some disfigurement. Those are both great consequences. A lab loses its nose and it couldn't care less...its people are probably put off by it but the lab itself isn't even aware it had a nose let alone that is has gone missing....hell just the fact that it rotted off and the dog lived is pretty good proof of my point....folks nose start rotting off and most likely they die without medical attention....

My labs been bitten several times in the face by western diamondbacks....other than some swelling and soreness she is none the worse for wear....of course she can also break through ice naked and swim to pick a dead duck up, in her mouth...and seems to enjoy doing it....I have fallen in the same ice before with waders and three layers of clothing and my arse was back at the hill in minutes....dogs are a little bit more resilient than men...they don't live as long though...
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

A lab loses its nose and it couldn't care less...

...its people are probably put off by it but the lab itself isn't even aware it had a nose let alone that is has gone missing...

You are a bumbling fool.

A dog’s sense of smell is just as important to it as sight is to humans. It’s the primary sense for how they view, understand, and navigate their entire world. And without it, they are crippled.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:28 pm to
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You are a bumbling fool. A dog’s sense of smell is just as important to it as sight is to humans. It’s the primary sense for how they view, understand, and navigate their entire world. And without it, they are crippled.


A dogs sense of smell is much more important than a humans vision but their nose is an intake conduit...the vast majority of the cells used for scent are located in their flews. It is often perceived that the flews direct scent to the nose but if you've ever been around a hound in hot dry areas like the desert you'll see that their scenting ability is vastly improved if their mouth is damp and drooling....their nose can be bone dry and they can still trail...if their flews are dry they can't smell their own arse let alone that of their neighbor....

Another way to know this is so is to watch a retriever find shite under water...if they were using their nose to do this they would drown or at least get choked....but all of them can find shite underwater....even things like rocks that they have fetched a couple of times that are almost barren of scent. Most can do so in 3 -4 feet of water...if they can get to it they can find it and retrieve it
Posted by ZatezaDawg
Alpharetta, GA
Member since Sep 2012
8 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:02 pm to
Yeah, I’ve got a basset bound that’s lost both eyes to glaucoma (the first when he was 4 years old and the other a year later) and he gets around like you couldn’t even notice he was totally blind. Seriously incredible. The vet told me it would be more detrimental for him to lose his sense of smell when all that was happening rather than his sight and honestly thought it was bs, but damn near 5 years later he’s still best dog I’ve had and can’t even tell most of the time he can’t see
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 8:05 pm
Posted by Dawgvet
Woodstock
Member since Sep 2012
548 posts
Posted on 5/16/19 at 8:21 pm to
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.the vast majority of the cells used for scent are located in their flews


I usually try to stay out of these types of discussions but I have to correct this.
There are absolutely no olfactory cells in the lining of the lips (flews) of a dog. A hound's large lips (along with their floppy ears) do help in collecting/trapping smells and then re-directing them either to the cilia (hair-like projections) of the olfactory cells lining the nasal cavity or to the vomeronasal organ (a little gland on the roof of the mouth just behind the upper front teeth). You are correct about dogs not being able to track as well when the mouth is dry, but mainly because saliva helps to carry scents towards the vomeronasal organ. The vomeronasal organ is responsible for detecting pheromones and body smells. They can still pick up certain scents with their noses pretty well, even with a dry mouth (maybe just not the week old body scents). Have you ever seen dogs/cats/horses lift their heads and "lick" the air? They are using the tongue to push scent containing saliva towards the vomeronasal gland. This is also how snakes "smell".
The majority of the dogs sense of smell happens in nasal passages and the olfactory bulb, (which helps the brain to processes the information).
It is estimated that about 20-30% of the dog's brain is devoted to smell alone.
PS: when a dog is underwater, it finds things by eyesight, not scent.
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