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re: OU vs UGA - Misconceptions

Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:25 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:25 am to
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It would be like an OU fan saying you haven't seen a passing attack like the Sooners have


Well, this would be true.

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implying you're going to be overwhelmed.


I suspect at times and on certain plays we will be. It would not surprise me to see Oklahoma bust at least a couple of plays for huge gains.

But I do believe you are right. We really don't blitz all the time. Seems once we get settled into a game, and decide what will work the coaches begin calling blitzes if they think they will work.

I appreciate your coming to the board and giving us your insight! It was interesting!
Posted by Buddy2012
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:26 am to
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But this is the 10th verse of the same song we hear every time we play an SEC school


I keep reading OU fans comparing this game to Auburn last year. Do they know that Auburn had NO quarterback to speak of last year?
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61356 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:34 am to
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This season, has OU played a team that did a good job with time of possession, keeping Mayfield on the sideline?


Actually, the closest was probably Texas. Oklahoma still had the edge by 3 minutes in TOP. Same for Iowa State. About a 2 minute difference. Not surprisingly that was the closest game they had outside of their loss.(Iowa State) We will have to control the clock, no doubt. That is easier said than done.

What we will have to worry about is if we fall behind by a couple of scores, we will have to start throwing the ball, and all of that goes out the window. Then we are playing their game. If we make silly mistakes and commit stupid penalties (First Auburn game...and it wouldn't even have to be as bad as the first game) we will be in major trouble.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89452 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:40 am to
There really aren't a whole lot of "relevant" games of OU vs the SEC to compare to. Those early 00's bama teams were trash. UT of late has been trash. AU last year had no QB whatsoever and had just spiraled at the end of the year getting beat by us and bama after being in the top 10.

The only 2 games that might even have SOME relevance are 08 UF and 14 bama. Don't really care about eht aTm regular season matchups because having 1 week to prep opposed to a month makes a big difference.

-The 08 OU offense was statistically one of if not THE best offenses of all times. It was pretty much like this year's but had more firepower at certain positions (gresham at TE, Murray at RB, high NFL draft picks across the line). Bradford was at the time the most efficient QB in NCAA history (since broken by...yep, mayfield). That team ran into a motivated UF team in the NCG and their all-world offense was held to 14 points. Probably like 40 points below their average.

-The 13 bama game surprised a lot of people I think. Unlike 08 UF playing with everythign on the line (and very much like 16 auburn that didn't really have much to play for), this bama team looked like it would keep rolling before getting gutpunched by AU in the iron bowl. Not only did they suffer the worst ending ever, but it kept them from even winning the west so no SEC title for bama this year either. Similar to the 08 sugar bowl against utah, I quesiton how motivated bama really was here. Despite all that..OU flat out owned the game. They torched bama's defense for 45 in a game that trevor knight could and would never hope to replicate, but they also did allow over 30 points as well.


I feel like this game will be a mix of those 2. Motivation damn sure isn't an issue like it was with bama. We are also kidding ourselves if we expect to hold them to 14. I could easily see them scoring in the high 20s/low 30s, but I can also see us scoring in the high 30s as well.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61356 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:42 am to
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Lorenzo is the second fastest player on a team

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wut


I know. This has been a fallacy that has been going around for awhile now. Seems like it has been said about Roquan, too.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89452 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:43 am to
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This has been a fallacy that has been going around for awhile now.


I mean, even if someone thought they read that somewhere, how could they POSSIBLY believe it? They really think that of all our skill position players that a 6'4" OLB is faster than all but 1 of them? I mean cmon people
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:46 am to
A number of players have stated this.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89452 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:48 am to
well, the players are wrong. I don't care what a HS water boy hand-timed someone running when they were in 11th grade. If you lined up every RB/WR/S/CB (and LB) on the team and had them sprint, I am just about CERTAIN that lorenzo would not cross the line 2nd. I just simply don't believe it.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 7:49 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:51 am to
I was surprised as well.
Posted by TearsofKnowshon
Athens
Member since Dec 2013
3220 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:53 am to
Eric Stokes and Mecole would absolutely smoke Lorenzo in a race. And that's leaving out a lot of other guys in between that would also beat him. Doesn't mean that Lorenzo isn't a freak of nature, but he isn't the second fastest on the team.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 7:59 am to
I watched him get held on a play, almost sack the QB and then make a tackle 20 yards down field on the WR that caught a pass... dude is fast. That’s for sure.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89452 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:06 am to
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dude is fast. That’s for sure.


no doubt
Posted by h0bnail
Member since Sep 2009
7628 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:12 am to
Can someone explain to me the logic of running the clock to limit the possessions of a good offense, while it also limits our own? I struggle to see the benefit.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89452 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:19 am to
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Can someone explain to me the logic of running the clock to limit the possessions of a good offense, while it also limits our own? I struggle to see the benefit.


Well, I think the mindset is that we go ahead and assume/expect OU to be able to score since that's what they do. In the simplest terms, the less they have the ball the less they can score.

As for it limiting our offense, we're basically trusting our defnese to hold them more than their defense can hold us.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9691 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:25 am to
It keeps rhythm offenses out of a rhythm and oftentimes that can lead to a QB trying to compensate by attempting to do too much. Also, if a team's best weapon is it's offense, it can't hurt you if it's sitting on the sideline while you grind down the clock.

If you're able to grind down the clock on offense, it means you're able to sustain drives which, more often than not, leads to points.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
Chair
Member since Nov 2012
10198 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:25 am to
The idea being that our offense controls clock and wears their defense down allowing us to impose our will and keep our defense fresh and ready to hopefully get a turnover on downs while simultaneously limiting Mayfields odds of performing miracles.

If we had a pedestrian defense, it wouldn't matter.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9691 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:29 am to
It's been stated a few times in this thread but you look at the OU schedule this year and they just haven't faced a physical rushing attack like Georgia's. They love to use tOSU as an example but that's essentially saying that JT Barrett is running all over the field trucking defenders. JT Barrett doesn't truck defenders.

How many times have we seen Sony just lay fricking brutal arse hits on defenders this season? The guy just lowers his head and knocks 2nd level defenders on their asses. Chubb, with his tree trunk legs, is a tough motherfricker to bring down for even sound, physical tacklers. Their LBs and DBs are going to be fricked if that OU defensive front allows our rushers to reach the second level. They will be concussed, hurt, scared, and tired as shite by the start of the 4th quarter.

Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
7942 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 8:41 am to
Not to mention even when they have seen good rushing attacks it wasn’t a 3 backs that run and hit with that kind of power. Holyfield has laid some wood in garbage time too. Really hope he breaks out next season and puts on some size. Sony is a beast now compared to his freshman year.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 9:07 am to
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Can someone explain to me the logic of running the clock to limit the possessions of a good offense, while it also limits our own? I struggle to see the benefit.


You got to think of the style of Spread that they run as "basketball on grass" especially a fast break style of offense that is very hurry up. They want to run the field quickly and score quickly. They want to get in a rhythm and keep the defense on their heels the entire time.

You slow them down and disrupt the rhythm and there is more than one way to do that. Kirby did a good job of slowing down Auburn in the SECCG with substitutions. Auburn wanted to sugar huddle and no huddle to keep the fast pace.

The other way to skin the cat is time of possession with your own offense. Grind out the clock with long TD drives keeping a high pace offense off the field for as long as possible.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61356 posts
Posted on 12/7/17 at 9:28 am to
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A number of players have stated this.


Peter, you and i have played enough to know that it was one of those things that somebody threw out there to some players, and they thought it was funny, so they said..."Yeah! He's second fastest!" Then they went back into the locker room and laughed about it. I have no doubt he is probably very, very fast. Maybe fastest LB, but not 2nd fastest player on the team.

We will have a better idea after the combine....maybe I will be proven wrong.
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