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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:31 pm to chillmonster
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:31 pm to chillmonster
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China has lifted their quarantine and other restrictions. There is media on the ground that shows this. Initially I thought their numbers were fraudulent, but based on evidence it seems they're legitimate.
China was in the lucrative position of knowing when they were going to release the virus on the world to level the playing field. So they had plenty of time to prepare. Now China is marketing itself as the expert in containing the virus that they released.
Seriously though, I am convinced that the virus became prevalent among the Chinese populace long before the Chinese government made the public announcement; so yea, they probably are better at containment because they have been working on techniques for containment and eradication long before anyone else.
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Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:38 pm to djsdawg
I don't know a lot of people looking to get tested without symptoms. Also, TIAA stadium is testing people in a parking lot and ran out of tests the other day. There are only so many tests. I guess we should just test everyone. That way when people actually need one, we're out.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:40 pm to meansonny
quote:That's part of it. The other part is everything is made in China and Korea, their supply chain is more robust than the people relying on them to produce all of it.
That's what happens when you routinely have novel outbreaks.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:56 pm to BeefDawg
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When Trump shut down travel from China and Italy, he was the first to do travel bans, and our media lambasted him as a racist for doing it. Saying he's the one exploiting this "minor virus" just so he can impose his racist bans.
It’s very possible, but I must have missed people doing this. I thought people were saying it’s racist to call it the China virus.
Which was dumb, but at the same time, it did increase the blame on some Chinese-American citizens so it wasn’t really necessary.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:57 pm to meansonny
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Agree to disagree.
We finally agree.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 1:58 pm to GurleyGirl
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China was in the lucrative position of knowing when they were going to release the virus on the world to level the playing field. So they had plenty of time to prepare. Now China is marketing itself as the expert in containing the virus that they released.
Seriously though, I am convinced that the virus became prevalent among the Chinese populace long before the Chinese government made the public announcement; so yea, they probably are better at containment because they have been working on techniques for containment and eradication long before anyone else.
I've heard on podcasts that China is currently closing movie theatres. Not necessarily the actions of a country that has everything under control.
I'm also hearing on podcasts that the possible issue with China is repatriotization of the virus. People traveling back into the country are bringing the virus back to life over there. Ironically, China spread the virus all over the world with 3 million travelers flying out of Wuhan. And now they are getting a dose of the same catastrophe as people from over the world are flying it back into their borders. It will be interesting to hear if China has any closed border rules on incoming flights from around the world.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:07 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I don't know a lot of people looking to get tested without symptoms. Also, TIAA stadium is testing people in a parking lot and ran out of tests the other day. There are only so many tests. I guess we should just test everyone. That way when people actually need one, we're out.
I think SK tested whoever wanted or needed one.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:15 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I don't know a lot of people looking to get tested without symptoms.
The problem early on with testing was that it wasted masks and gloves with each test.
The new testing kits are self tested. The nurse/doctor does not contact the patient and doesnt need to change everything with each test.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:30 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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One of these days I'm going to need someone that's a lot smarter than me to explain how more testing really affects anything.
Come on, man. You really can't understand how widespread testing provides more opportunity to control the spread of a disease?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:40 pm to GurleyGirl
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Seriously though, I am convinced that the virus became prevalent among the Chinese populace long before the Chinese government made the public announcement; so yea, they probably are better at containment because they have been working on techniques for containment and eradication long before anyone else.
My understanding is China was more prepared (not with necessary tests, but with strategy) to combat pathogens because they've been hit harder than any other country by the last few outbreaks, many of which started in China. Because of that we can't judge our response against theirs, because they seem the only country that had a robust plan in place.
SK isn't China, though. They were in the exact same place as the US with a representative democracy, plenty of international travel, and a no stockpile of working tests at the beginning. First disclosed case was on Jan 20 for both countries but by the first week of February they had accepted the WHO test, convened their top 20 relevant manufacturers , and given them a directive to crank out tests. That's how they contained this and how we didn't.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 2:58 pm to chillmonster
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SK isn't China, though. They were in the exact same place as the US with a representative democracy, plenty of international travel, and a no stockpile of working tests at the beginning. First disclosed case was on Jan 20 for both countries but by the first week of February they had accepted the WHO test, convened their top 20 relevant manufacturers , and given them a directive to crank out tests. That's how they contained this and how we didn't.
SK has been hit like China by these in the past. Much harder than the US.
Their culture embraces the personal use of masks. Masks are the perfect solution to contain the spread of SarsCov2. A virus that takes weeks to show signs means that anyone can be a carrier. Having everyone precaution with a mask is so much better than our approach to "stay 6 feet apart" when the virus can stay alive on plastics and metals up to 2 weeks.
South Korea also removed positive tests away from their home so the virus didn't infect family.
It will be interesting to see if we begin to change our approach (6 foot personal space and self quarantine with your family).
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:12 pm to chillmonster
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because they seem the only country that had a robust plan in place.
Dude,we have NO IDEA about what's going on in China except for the fact that they've
been peddling junk tests kits all over the
globe. LINK
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My country’s government returned more than 600,000 flawed kits to its manufacturer, a Chinese company by the name of Shenzhen Bioeasy Technology. So “easy” was the deal that when they bought the kits on Wednesday, Spanish health authorities didn’t seem the least concerned that the company isn’t even permitted to sell them in … China itself.
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First disclosed case was on Jan 20 for both countries but by the first week of February they had accepted the WHO
They already had a test developed before the WHO tests. LINK
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After the novel coronavirus emerged in China, Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) raced to develop its tests and cooperated with diagnostic manufacturers to develop commercial test kits. The first test was approved on 7 February, when the country had just a few cases, and distributed to regional health centers
SK also suspended ALOT of civil liberties
for those who tested positive.
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Legislation enacted since then gave the government authority to collect mobile phone, credit card, and other data from those who test positive to reconstruct their recent whereabouts. That information, stripped of personal identifiers, is shared on social media apps that allow others to determine whether they may have crossed paths with an infected person.
Yes,I can imagine the howling from Pelosi,Schumer,NBC,CNN,ABC and CBS had Trump even attempted this legislation at the beginning of this thing.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:25 pm to meansonny
Ya, I’m sure Americans would be cool with getting tested and then being dragged off to a “hotel” with other sick folks. That’s how Asia does it. You get your temperature taken going into a lot of buildings, including your own if you live in a high rise. You have a fever and you are taken away. That is happening right now in China...Even for expats. My expat employees and biz partners there are sending us weekly reports on it and how it is affecting our jobs there. SK is not much different
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:32 pm to Peter Buck
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That is happening right now in China..
It happens in the US.
If you are critical condition, you are in your hospital room without the right to leave and without the right to assemble with your family. Parents and grandparents are dying alone.
Hospitals are being opened up just for covid. Hospitals are being opened up just for non-covid.
If I could have my wish, americans would all have a personal supply of masks right now.
If I could have my wish, no personal liberties would be infringed by the federal government. The government would recommend procedures. But there would be no legal repercussions. That Florida church could still assemble. People could visit hospitals. Poor decisions have consequences. But it isnt for the federal govt to make those decisions for us.
For the record, I've been home since 3/12. But that's a personal decision.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:40 pm to meansonny
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People could visit hospitals. Poor decisions have consequences. But it isnt for the federal govt to make those decisions for us.
I agree with that, if you’re solely impacting yourself. But when you put other people at risk, I think they do have the right to make that decision.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:40 pm to meansonny
quote:This nurse performed a test. Today. Every patient in my facility gets tested immediately upon admission now. It's a nasopharyngeal swab. I have to let the patient blow their nose, then blow through one nostril at a time so I can see which is more patent, then shove this thing up their nose almost until I see it come out of an ear. So please, sir. Tell me how little contact we have while testing patients.
The nurse/doctor does not contact the patient and doesnt need to change everything with each test.
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:42 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Cobb is doing throat swab through mouth. Why are you doing it the hard way?
Also if they blow their nose real good, aren't you losing alot of the thing you are looking for?
Also if they blow their nose real good, aren't you losing alot of the thing you are looking for?
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:45 pm to deeprig9
That's what we have. I have no idea. Even oral, you still have to get it back there while they open mouth breath on your face.
There's plenty back there after you blow your nose.
There's plenty back there after you blow your nose.
This post was edited on 3/31/20 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:52 pm to SneakyWaff1es
Are yours going to DPH or private lab?
Posted on 3/31/20 at 3:57 pm to deeprig9
Our lab.
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