re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

Don’t know what he could do differently. NYC is saying they aren’t opening until July. That’s going to decimate small businesses up there and that’s a democratic mayor. The idea was to flatten the curve and I think we’ve done a great job of that, it’s time to slowly start moving towards opening it back up. The idea wasn’t to run out the clock until the virus was completely gone.

I usually get turned off when people say “orange man bad” or accuse someone of TDS if they so much as ask a question about something trump says but you do seem to have some ulterior hatred against the guy. Tough times for everyone.

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Please tell me you're not some Obamacare apologist who doesn't believe millions of people got royally fricked over by that Act.

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I've made no bones about it in the past that the end product was very flawed. But to that end, the millions who were negatively impacted may also have substantial overlap with the 100 million-plus individuals that were positively impacted by the removal of things like "pre-existing condition" clauses/limitations/denials. It was a mixed bag that in a more ideal political climate could have been collaborated on and reshaped to greatly improve things generally... instead, we get the typical clusterfrick that is our political system and it got rammed through in poor form due to literally no ability of either side to play in the god damn sandbox together without shitting on each others hands.

I asked because I felt there was more at play than was being described. My comment to rig was not specific to your post, but rather the general tone of posters on the board right now.




Moving past that...

First of all.. shite dude. That sounds like a rough 3+ years. I sincerely hope that you've got all that behind you.

With respect to the plan design, it does sound like some ACA related things may have been at play, but as with most things, it didn't happen in a vacuum. It also sounds like Wellstar made some decisions that impacted you that were neither requirements of, nor driven by, specific ACA policies. It's possible they made the decisions on their own, but very likely they were given guidance from their consultants on where to cut to save on costs.

There are plenty of businesses that are still self-insured. The ACA didn't mandate that Wellstar change to Humana (or any of the other subsequent changes). Correlation does not equal causality.

Without sharing specifics, I can tell you that I listened in on numerous conversations for large employer HR teams with their consultants where they all discussed options and were actively making decisions to decrease coverage costs in general given the unique opportunity to shift responsibility from themselves to recent government policy changes (ACA). Make of that what you will.

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Correlation does not equal causality.

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I'm not going to argue with you, but just making it clear this is 1000% false.

My wife is a manager and got very specific training and guidelines on how to explain the coverage changes to her subordinates. And I saw emails from Wellstar corporate that stated flat out, these new plans are changing directly because they must comply with ACA standards.

We had 14 straight years of the same great coverage, and the instant the employer mandate of the ACA went into effect, everything changed.

So it's crazy to say the ACA wasn't the cause. Wellstar was, and still is, making great profits year over year. I've seen the balance sheets. They didn't make these changes because of money issues at all. They lost hundreds of great longtime skilled employees because of how bad these changes were. So much so that they started handing out extra mid-year bonuses and even increased the matching percentage on 403b contributions.

And trust me, we complained to corporate about the coverage, along with thousands of other employees. And the answer was the same... "Sorry, we are forced by law to design and offer the coverage like this."


Also, 100 million-plus people were not "positively impacted" as a result of allowing pre-existing conditions.

People who had a job and coverage through an employer already had full coverage with pre-existing conditions.

The removal of that stipulation only effected people who did not have employer-sponsored health coverage. And only 18-20 million people ever signed up for it. And of those 18-20 million, only 3-5 million had been previously denied health coverage prior to the ACA.

Millions of people with pre-existing conditions still refused to buy Obamacare out of their own choice.


Anyway, I'm not going to re-argue this with someone again. I've done it too many times, and I know way too much about this thing, and it makes me re-live it too much.

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Anyway, I'm not going to re-argue this with someone again. I've done it too many times, and I know way too much about this thing, and it makes me re-live it too much.

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Obamacare absolutely screwed every working American that pays for their own healthcare; ESPECIALLY teachers, cops and 1st responders

it was a massive power grab and transfer of wealth

Obama, and Democrats in general, always talk about education and "helping teachers"

well; Obama screwed over ever teacher in the country and because of his policies, EVERY teacher in the country lost income & got dealt MAJOR reduction in benefits AND had costs go up at the same time - pay more and have the quality of your health carer decrease)

he took money out of the hands of teachers and cops

he lied (leftists want to talk to me about Trump lies, what a hoot - Trump has not directly reduced the quality of life for teachers, Obama 1000% did and lied to us about what we were getting into)

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“I didn't say a date....I said it's going away and it is going away.”

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This is false. On numerous occasions in February, Trump said he expected the virus to go away in April.

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in April is a date?

I will remember that the next time my wife asks me to do something

I WILL DO IT IN MAY, HONEY!

she won't be able to get mad, since I gave her a date, right?

eta - the "fact checkers" are pathetic; mostly propagandists

your post is one of many examples that proves it

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Calling Trump people a cult, yet I have not seen children being taught to sing praises to him, yet.

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Both parties have insane people who worship their chosen ones. This board is filled with the trump ones.

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Posted by Whiznot ? ? on 3/16/20 at 8:45 pm to meansonny

On 2-27-2020 my guess of US coronavirus deaths this year was 1,000,000 people. Now I think that more than that will die.

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You had the balls to give a number. Props to you (unlike jds who was/is chickenshit).

I had the estimated US fatality from covid at 30,000.

We passed that number in the last 48 hours. I can admit when I was off/wrong.

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they STILL have not taken away the barriers that prevent folks from buying across state lines

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What do you expect that to solve?

We need sports back on tv. Everyone’s going crazy