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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:44 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:44 pm to djsdawg
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So you were against the GOP when it was their turn to do this for the previous president? Or are you the hypocritical biased beef boy you seem to be?
Of all the millions of far-right racist gun-nut wack jobs that supposedly scamper around this country in paramilitary clubs, and all the hate-radio and Fox News fueling division and radicalism, why wasn't there one single assassination attempt on Obama, the first black president?
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:46 pm to deeprig9
You sure do ask the most irrelevant questions.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:18 pm to deeprig9
quote:I disagree.
Lucias has been very fair minded in this thread.
He consistently plays some stupid game of OMB.
Just one page back, he's listing out reasons why Trump was supposedly slow to react or downplayed the virus at it's early stages.
Completely one-sided. Totally ignoring the fact that he was in the middle of a sham partisan impeachment trial, so going full Autocrat on the virus in the US before 6 people had even died would have resulted in 10x the backlash and media lynching, and that not only was China dishonest about details, but the Dems were downplaying it even more while shitting on him as a racist for implementing a travel ban.
I mean the degree of rock and hard place, and lose-lose situation, is a gross understatement of where Trump had available to him.
Nobody understood the severity of this virus. Nobody was prepared. Nobody was proposing solutions. Everyone had an agenda until the seriousness and severity became pronounced and scary. Tons of leaders made mistakes.
But in the end, lives were saved. That travel ban was a huge deal. We didn't run out of beds or ventilators or PPE, and we went from 200,000 people might die to probably less than 50,000 might.
But instead of covering the bad and good of both sides, the dude can only shite on Trump for things that really aren't that reasonable or justified when you take all the factors and context into consideration. Which tells me there's intellectual dishonesty on display.
Now the narrative is just, "Well it only went well because the States did there own thing, in spite of Trump. He gets zero credit. LOL!"
So the China and Italy travel bans are ignored? Cutting off travel to/from EU doesn't matter? Trying to speed up vaccine testing and approval? CARES Act he signed? Pushing the Fed to lower rates? Allowing Medicare patients to visit any doctor anywhere and do free teleconferencing/health screenings? Bringing Hydroxychloroquine to light? Multiple Governors coming out and admitting his admin helped them tremendously, even Democrats like Quomo? The Mercy Ship he sent to LA with 2,000 person FMS capacity. The MS Comfort ship given to NJ to use? The expedited approval of disaster declarations across the nation so states could access disaster relief funds? That doesn't suggest he's responsible for some good things?
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No, according to Lucias (and the other TDS loons), OMB and he's done nothing. Zero credit. It was all the States.
So much bullshite.
So no, that's not fair-minded. Dude has TDS bad.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:23 pm to deeprig9
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Of all the millions of far-right racist gun-nut wack jobs that supposedly scamper around this country in paramilitary clubs, and all the hate-radio and Fox News fueling division and radicalism, why wasn't there one single assassination attempt on Obama, the first black president?
Playing war is safer than being in a war.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:32 pm to djsdawg
quote:I was lambasting the GOP on the regular for giving us McCain and Romney, because they were the worst kinds of Establishment frauds. Neocon assholes who stood no chance and were lying through their teeth.
So you were against the GOP when it was their turn to do this for the previous president? Or are you the hypocritical biased beef boy you seem to be?
Aside from that, I didn't pay too much attention to the GOP or DNC because I was too busy being pissed off about my healthcare being fricked up.
I had a cancerous odontogenic tumor in my upper right jawbone that required 5 surgeries from 2013-2015, and I went from probably having to pay around $6,000 total for everything (pre-ACA health insurance coverage) to having paid out around $70,000 total for everything.
Did the media, intelligence community, Establishment Congress, and GOP try to run a soft-coup on Obama or something?
Maybe I missed that. My focus was elsewhere.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:37 pm to BeefDawg
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Beefdawg
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:44 pm to BeefDawg
Lucias has been a gimp for the last two pages, but if you read all 666 pages, he has been fair. You have to look at the body of work.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 8:49 pm to deeprig9
quote:I'm bothered by him going from, "Maybe we did go overboard with this shutdown." to "Trump didn't do enough! OMB!"
Lucias has been a gimp for the last two pages, but if you read all 666 pages, he has been fair. You have to look at the body of work.
It's quite the contradiction, don't ya think?
Anyway, nothing we should be arguing over.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:09 pm to BeefDawg
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was lambasting the GOP on the regular for giving us McCain and Romney, because they were the worst kinds of Establishment frauds. Neocon a-holes who stood no chance and were lying through their teeth.
But you were fine with the “millions of deranged frickers in this country who hope for something, anything, to take down that guy. And they don't care who it harms or deceives or if it was legitimate or fabricated or a complete lie” .
Both sides do it, and you only became unhinged half the ti
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:19 pm to BeefDawg
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I had a cancerous odontogenic tumor in my upper right jawbone that required 5 surgeries from 2013-2015, and I went from probably having to pay around $6,000 total for everything (pre-ACA health insurance coverage) to having paid out around $70,000 total for everything.
What specifically about ACA is it that you are claiming caused the increase in out of pocket expenditures? Were you previously on a mini med plan or something?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:24 pm to fibonaccisquared
ACA doesn't need to be relitigated here.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 9:50 pm to deeprig9
If we're going to make wild assertions, we might as well be clear as to what the actual cause is. I'd understand complaints about premiums, but > 10x multiple on costs is a little difficult to blame on ACA without an explanation. But let's not bother with trivial things like that. All things from (insert party that poster doesn't like) are wholly responsible for all the shite in (insert poster)'s life that is inconvenient or undesirable.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 10:08 pm to fibonaccisquared
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If we're going to make wild assertions, we might as well be clear as to what the actual cause is. I'd understand complaints about premiums, but > 10x multiple on costs is a little difficult to blame on ACA without an explanation. But let's not bother with trivial things like that. All things from (insert party that poster doesn't like) are wholly responsible for all the shite in (insert poster)'s life that is inconvenient or undesirable.
"If you like your plan you can keep it" isn't completely inconvenient or undesirable. It's a flat fricking lie and fricked many people in many ways. But that's not for us to discuss in this thread about Corona China Wuhan Virus 19. I think an ACA thread would be a great thread on its own. I have my own ACA stories I would like to share, if such a thread existed.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:04 pm to BeefDawg
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We're supposed to believe some a-hole in... I don't know... New York City, is walking up to Chinese people and screaming at them that this is all their fault, and that this is only happening because Donald fricking Trump called it the "China Virus"??
Not what I was saying. I actually thought Trump did a good job on that once he found out there were being racist attacks towards Asian people. I was just saying I dont think it helped things, or that it was necessary to call it the Chinese virus. I also don’t think it means Trump is racist towards Asian people because he called it that. It did come from China.
I’m all for protecting and caring about people, so I like it when things reflect that. I could be unique in this, and understand people have different opinions.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:49 pm to BeefDawg
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Lucius
For the record, I've never blamed Trump for the COVID-19 situation. I've merely pointed out that he spent several weeks downplaying it, making moronic statements that are well documented, and sending mixed messages contradicting medical and public health authorities.
There's plenty of blame to go around for why we had to deal with this outbreak in a way that has paralyzed the economy and added trillions to the debt.
I still consider Trump a pathological liar with strong authoritarian tendencies...but that's mostly a tangent to this thread.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 11:54 pm to deeprig9
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why wasn't there one single assassination attempt on Obama, the first black president
I've honestly wondered this about Trump, given right wing assertions that the mainstream media has been so unfair and conspiring to rile up hate against him for three years.
Who knows? Maybe the Secret Service does a really good job of identifying nutjobs before they get too far.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 12:04 am to fibonaccisquared
quote:My wife is a 22-year nurse for Wellstar Kennestone. Pre-ACA we had their cadillac family plan, which was $500 in-network deductible with 90/10 up to $1,000 max out of pocket, $1000 out-of-network deductible with 80/20 up to $2,000 max out of pocket, and the cost was around $400/month.
What specifically about ACA is it that you are claiming caused the increase in out of pocket expenditures? Were you previously on a mini med plan or something?
I got half my treatment at an oncologist at Kennestone, but got my surgeries from a specialist out-of-network at Birmingham Medical Center (they have an oral and maxillofacial cancer specialty there).
Because it was over a 3 year period, and I went out-of-network, and I hit out of pocket max each year, it would have cost me approximately $6,000 with the pre-ACA plan.
On top of this, I had to get a bunch of dental work done (multiple temporaries for a while, then ultimately implants on an entire quadrant of my mouth), all of which our previous health insurance would have covered as part of the original health issue, so I wouldn't have had to touch dental insurance.
However, Wellstar was forced to turn all their plans ACA-compliant, and not only did this make our plan go from around $400/month up to around $600/month (not including more frequent and higher rate increases), but the deductibles and out of pocket maximums went nuts, AND... the health insurance would not cover the implants because they considered them "elective cosmetic".
The ACA-compliant plan was now $3500 in-network deductible with 80/20 up to $9,000 max out of pocket, and $7,000 out-of-network deductible with 80/20 up to $18,000 max out of pocket.
So multiply $18,000 x 3 = $54,000.
Oh, but that wasn't all. My dental insurance only covered a max of $2,000, but 6 implants at $3,000 a pop (which was a discount from the usual $4,000 each), cost me another $16,000 out of pocket.
It's gotten a little better since 2018. Deductible is only $1,750, then 80/20 up to $6,500 out of pocket now. And double if you go out-of-network. And premium is down to about $500/month.
But we're still nowhere close to where it was prior to the ACA. And we've switched companies like 3x now. We were self-insured through Wellstar for years. Then with the ACA it changed to Humana. Then Coventry. And now it's Aetna, and the customer service sucks.
Please tell me you're not some Obamacare apologist who doesn't believe millions of people got royally fricked over by that Act.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 5:46 am to djsdawg
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Come on, even trump knows Spain wasn’t the origin of the Spanish flu
Then you should be outraged that people called it the Spanish Flu. Was thta raicst, or not?
12 Diseases and the Lucky Places They’re Named For
Read the article. not all diseases are named where they originated. Some/most were named after where they were first discovered.
Tell us all where Covid-19 was first seen, please.
Now explain how it was racist to call it that.
Posted on 4/15/20 at 5:58 am to Dawgsontop34
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The bigger issue for me, is that some people took it as an excuse to act in a racist manner towards Asian people.
I get that. But people that do that are going to act in that manner anyway. Idiots are idiots and will act like idiots....they really don't need an excuse. Honest to goodness, the very same people who called Trump out for calling it the Chinese flu were all using it on their own networks during their news casts.
MSM Calls Corona the Chinese Virus
I find it odd and hypocritical for the media to call Trump a racist while they were doing the exact same thing.
It's just another example of the media saying "Up" is Trump says "Down" or the media saying "Left" if Trump says "Right".
Trouble is, most of those networks used the term over and over again day after day and Trump may have said it a few times, and most of those were to answer their questions about racism.
As for the Spanish Flu being called the Spanish Flu because that was the first place is was discovered? Where was the Corona Virus fist seen?
This post was edited on 4/15/20 at 6:01 am
Posted on 4/15/20 at 6:08 am to djsdawg
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There have been no absolutes about specific numbers.
And yet, when he said this:
They did not ever say "2.2 million Americans are going to die from COVID-19 by year's end."
Which you just said is correct, you responded with this:
Trumps own people said 2.2 million.
Then doubled down with this:
What part of 2.2 million isn’t 2.2 million?
Obtuseness is your standard shtick, and typically why I have come to ignore you.
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