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re: (OT) Better Call Saul final season...April 18th

Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 3:44 pm to
A few pages back I was talking about redemption, and trying to come up with who was redeemable. Kim was the subject at the time. But I also thought about Francesca. Will she be the redeemed?

I wish it was the crooked veterinarian but he hasn't appeared in quite a while so I think he's out of the picture at this point. Although... Saul is getting his drugs from somewhere.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 5:53 pm to
Also all the Kim horking was so blatant and in our faces the whole time and we were trying to make theories about what it could mean... overlooking something obvious.

Regarding the veterinarian, what was the central fixture in Jimmy and Kim's apartment through the whole series?

The fish.

The fish is what you use to get into the vet's office. The vet's office is where everything becomes congruent. Nacho, Jimmy, Mike. Houle Babinoux. Probably others I'm forgetting.

And the aquarium is jammed into our eyes in every single scene in their apartment through the entire series.

Does anyone remember the name of the fish? A cursory google search gives me no answers.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 5:59 pm to
I don’t think there’s time left for anyone to get redemption. Definitely not Gene who is currently relapsing and spiraling towards rock bottom past anywhere he’s gone before

If anyone got redemption, it could only possibly be Kim. Maybe as weird as it was how quickly she quit the law and dumped Jimmy in a dime , it’s to show and highlight the path to redemption.

We haven’t seen the life she’s built for herself now yet. Does it contrast starkly with Sauls in that she has a husband, children, friends, a family?

Saul and Walt started slowly down bad choice road and could never quit. They doubled down. Tripled. Quadrupled down and it led one to the grave and another to federal prison.

Kim and Jessie quit bad choice road cold Turkey though. And found some peace and joy. I don’t know though. I’m trying to talk myself into that but it feels weird. It’s fricking crazy that they created Palm Coast Sprinklers of all things for the reappearance of Kim. I mean, that’s bold weird and out of left field. And awesome. A sprinkler company? Hell yeah. Im in

Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 6:19 pm to
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Also all the Kim horking was so blatant and in our faces the whole time






Amen.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 6:25 pm to
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Does anyone remember the name of the fish?

I dont remember it having one. He named a non-existent fake dog “Nippy” though. And his scamming name for himself is “Victor w/ a K”, so the name for his gold fish was probably also from old black and white movies. The kind he and Kim used to watch after horking and drinking mcsnoots/smoking cigs on the 5’ x 3’ yuppie beehive condo balcony (w/ urban parking lot view)
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/5/22 at 8:21 pm to
You are big on the lines. Where do all of the lines intersect?

Literally all of the lines intersect at the vet's office.

I can't believe that he doesn't come back in some fashion.

Also, I want to say the name of the fish was Fluffy. But don't quote me on that. But Jimmy made very sure to take care of Fluffy. Telling Lalo not to tap the glass and whatnot. Jimmy actually cared about Fluffy.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/6/22 at 5:46 pm to
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Literally all of the lines intersect at the vet's office.

I can't believe that he doesn't come back in some fashion.


I don’t know. I personally feel like the whole reason for the cringe pupil-dilation component of the dork scam was an excuse to tie up the vet loose-end

We got to convently learn that the vet is about to leave the biz and is selling his lil black book for the right price. Seemed forced at the time, but now makes sense I guess

We’re supposed to be left to determine/imagine on our own that after Jim got the sand piper millions, he bought the criminal black book off vet. And that the vet joined Kim, and Jessie as only ones capable of surviving the game.

The vet’s book was also one of the things shown getting boxed up by the feds in opener, so this one has come full CIRCLE imo. Circles everywhere dude. Put the shape of circles on your radar while watching background
Posted by MSGADawg5988
Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 8/7/22 at 8:53 pm to
Who’s ready for the penultimate episode of BCS? Spoiler I heard that Kim has a part in this next episode and Carol Burnetts character will be in the last two episodes not surprisingly. Wonder how bad Gene/Saul/Viktor screws up this break in with the cancer dude? He seemed like a nice enough guy not like the first one… Bud from Home Alone dude. I think they are trying to show you that Jimmy/Saul knows even though someone is sick they are still capable of being a bad person I.e. Chuck and Walt. But that medicine alarm is going to wake the guy up and Jimmy is going to have to make a decision if he really wants to hurt someone physically.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:24 am to
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I heard that Kim has a part in this next episode


in gene's phone call last episode he calls kim at a sprinkler company in FL and this episode is called waterworks so I'm assuming that's a safe bet.

Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 7:18 pm to
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waterworks

Two spaces away from Jail in Monopoly.
Posted by LSUHobNailBoot
Watkinsville - Georgia
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:24 pm to
So let’s the downvotes rain
But maybe it’s my Louisiana education that a lot of the last few episodes elude me
It was a good episode but it could have been 10 minutes long. I mean with commercials and scenes about Mayonnaise, Kim sitting on a rental car bus, office birthday parties and Gene walking around a house for 10 minutes seems like there is a lot of “time waste” in this

Again maybe what the writers are pitching I am not catching which I get is probably the case
But man some segments of this show just seemed to drag on with no purpose

With that said the scenes that were good were great watches. The End, scene wirh Howard’s wife etc…

Again downvote away
This post was edited on 8/8/22 at 9:26 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 10:20 pm to
JD was right about the laptop. I still think I am right about redemption with what kim did.
Posted by agentoranj1990
Mableton
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:21 am to
I think a lot of people saw the laptop being the tool that gets Saul busted. I saw it a mile away. I liked the episode. I have to dvr it and forward through the commercials. They should have put this show on Netflix so we can go commercial free. I didn't see Kim turning herself in but this is what saves her as we see in the overall BB universe. I like the way they are wrapping this up. I think at this point Saul dies or goes to jail; that is unless the writers damn him to some other terrible fate. I just don't know what else that could be.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:08 am to
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JD was right about the laptop.

How about the epic facemelter Line finale in that scene though? The actual final dramatic culmination where the trajectory lines of Albequerque and Omaha, of Saul and Gene, of black n white and color, finally and literally connect..

Marion speaks to Gene on the landLine telephone. Then she physically removes the Line from the phone that connected to Gene in Omaha, and she plugs the exact same Line into the laptop. That Line now connecting Gene to Saul in ALberquerque. Blowing his cover and uniting the two worlds Jimmy lived in, the two characters Jimmy played. One man on one trajectory line. But headed where now?

And it's no coincidence either that when Gene is confronted with the Line that Marion has connected him to Saul with, that he physically rips the Line out of the wall and uses the damn thing to threaten her. He rolls up both ends of the Line, one in each fist, and stretches it tight as if he's ready to use it to cross over into some place even darker than the dark place he's already descended into.

Marion doesn't fight back. She couldn't fight him off if she tried. So what stopped him?

He fricking looked at the Line in his own hands and dropped it! He stared at the trajectory line in is hands and realized how far he'd gone on it and where he was. At "the end of the Line" threatening to murder a sweet honest good old lady. And he dropped it. And ran away. Ran as much like he was equally ashamed of what he's become as he was desperate not to get caught. Just incredible
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 8:10 am
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:53 am to
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seems like there is a lot of “time waste” in this


I agree with that mostly.

I don't mind the slow pace or details. It's just annoying how they prioritize things. They spend so much time on frivolous non-interesting parts of the story, but then spend almost zero time on the major components/the biggest questions.

Examples:
-The set-up of the Howard scam got 4 entire episodes, but Kim quitting the law and dumping Jimmy all happened in about 1 minute and 25 seconds

-The Gene and Jeffy cinnabon mall scam got an entire full length episode, but the answer to where Kim goes and where she is in BB got maybe 7 weird minutes (more on that later)

-We get to see 15 minutes of HOward and Jimmy boxing for no apparent reason, but Kim went from standing on a doorstep about to murder Gus to quitting law/dumping jimmy, to moving to Florida, to coming back to confess to howards widow, to ugly crying on a bus to beg for an emmy award all in probably less than 15 minutes of screen time. So, the cringe boxing match got more time than the biggest question of the entire prequel which is "what happens to Kim?"

-etc etc etc

I don't know. Whatever they're doing is better than anything else out there, so maybe this imbalance is part of the recipe that makes it work. I won't pull punches on the Florida part though. That shite was a massive whiff. I was honestly waiting for the Twilight Zone theme song to start playing at any moment while Kim was in Florida. It felt exactly like an old black and white episode of Twilight Zone. Complete with her doing a puzzle that had no picture on it and acting like she had been kidnapped by a cult. Just wierd.

We need to figure out what the hell that was. Because if there's not more to it that I'm missing, they took the biggest question of the whole show about where Kim went and faceplanted hard on it. Just fell flat on their faces and dropped the ball and accidentally punched themselves in the nuts doing it all. Makes zero sense.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:29 am to
I think I read somewhere that the writers had the layout and general idea of what they wanted to happen this season and it was only [X amount] of episodes maybe 8ish but AMC being more concerned with how much money they could milk out of it made them stretch it out to 13.

If that IS in fact the case, I'd at least understand some of hte filler and slow pacing more since they now have like 5 more hours of air time to fill that they didn't really want or expect to.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:42 pm to
We need to figure out the Florida twilight zone that they created. We also need to figure out why the writers of this show hate working class Americans so much. I usually let it go, but this thing they did in FLorida rubs me the wrong way.

Kim first though.

1) She gets asked three questions by her boyfriend and co-workers in the twilight zone. Mayo or Miracle WHip? Strawberry or Vanilla? and Do they run w/ the bulls on Amazing Race?

-her answer to each one, after taking an excruciatingly long time to think about it, is always a version of.... "I don't know. Maybe."

-her boyfriend even repeats her answer to the amazing race one. As if to point out she always says "maybe" and doesn't choose an answer.

-this is suppose to mean something. what the hell is this suppose to mean?

-is she afraid if she takes a stance on ice cream or mayonnaise that she'll relapse and pull a con and get someone killed? If so, that's god awful and dumb.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63867 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:51 pm to
It could also be a signal that she's no longer the strong independent self-assured woman that she used to be. Her answer is always maybe, easier to be a fish swimming in the current than swimming upstream with fem-dom opinions.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63867 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:53 pm to
Speaking of horking, the scene of her getting horked was pretty grotesque and wholly unnecessary. Why put that in our faces?
Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 4:08 pm to
Between that and the miracle whip stuff, I assume it was meant to show how mundane her new life is and how much she’s punishing herself for Howard by letting that loser sweat all over her
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