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re: (OT) Better Call Saul final season...April 18th

Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:44 pm to
I think Kim getting a soft landing is fine. I would prefer it that way, so that's what I'm hoping. She is no longer the virgin mary in the story, so if she does die then she deserves it- but every great story absolutely must have a story of redemption somewhere inside of it. Who besides Kim is left in the known Saul universe that still has a chance at redemption? We thought it might be Nacho, wrong. We thought it might be Gene after the fact.. and that's still in play... but the obligatory redemption story only exists now for either Kim or Gene.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 3:48 pm to
And let us not forget that Kim and Jimmy are still legally married.
Posted by agentoranj1990
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 4:47 pm to
We don't know if they were divorced or not with the time skip. I thought it was a brilliant way to effectively end BCS. Now we are in the BB timeline and essentially the next 4 episodes could be BB episodes. My theory is that the show ends with Saul finding Kim in Nebraska and finding out she is happily married and moved on. Then Saul/Gene goes back to his apartment and lives on his solitary life in fear. There are some far-fetched ideas on the show but it's just that - a tv show. I would have thought LE would investigate Jimmy and Kim very hard after they caught wind of Howard's accusations. They would find out from interviewing Schweikart and Howard's wife. Also I'm sure Howard's wife knew about the bowling ball incident. It just seems from all of Kim and Jimmy's pranks something would end of getting uncovered if there is an investigation into a high profile lawyer that goes missing. Still it's a tv show. Still we don't know if Kim got off scot free. We don't know what happens to her from the BB to Gene timeline. Maybe Howard's wife uncovers something and with Saul disappeared goes after Kim for wrongful death - just saying we don't know.
This post was edited on 7/19/22 at 5:11 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 5:19 pm to
Just to review the terms of the vacuum cleaner sale:

-a couple nights ago Kim was willing to shoot a stranger in the face for Jimmy
-and then at Howards law wake, she doubles down on the cocaine scam and twists the knife in Howard’s wife’s back by lying in such a diabolical evil way as to make a widow feel guilty for not being aware that her own husband was struggling with addiction and in need of help.
-but the very next day she has an epiphany that it’s bad to do such things, and so she rips up her law license, ends her marriage, and packs her shite up and goes to walk the straight and narrow somewhere where she has no friends or family or means of income ??
-and a broken heart turns Jimmy into Saul??

Funny that many people thought Kim might have to be vanished by the disapearer vacuum cleaner guy. But they decided just to sell us a vacuum cleaner instead.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 7/19/22 at 7:52 pm to
Her response at Howard's wake was because the wife put the screws to her, it wasn't a premeditated screw job. She had two options when confronted- admit everything or continue the story line. Continue the story is the easy and safe option, it doesn't necessarily nail her to Satan's dick.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:02 am to
Yes, it was obviously an improvisation by Kim to shut down and distract the widow’s questions about Jimmys harassment of Howard. But it was also obvious that Kim couldn’t resist going above and beyond this for some sick evil thrill. By leaning in at last minute and saying “Oh but you were his wife, you would have known better than anyone, who am I to say Howard snorts smack?” knowing full well the issues that Howard and his wife were having in their marriage .

It was unnecessary and evil. She couldn’t resist tormenting a grieving widow and planting a seed of guilt in the widows mind that she should have been there for Howard in his time of need. That she could have saved his life if she’d been a better wife. And now she’s shattered further and will be tormented and tortured by this thought for life. All of this from a seed planted by the actual psychopath soulless bitch who was the one that actually got Howard murdered. How do you not see this?

Yet. Doopity doopy doo…. 12 hours later, Kim has supposedly seen the light and realizes it was bad to do that and quits cold Turkey on being a shite human? Whatever
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 7:07 am to
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Jefferson Dawg



I don't quite see it the same way. It sounds like you think this was a copout or an illogical resolution but I think it makes perfect sense. Theres' been a slow build over YEARS that has now finally come to a head. Early on kim just liked doing crappy like bar ruses with jimmy becuase it was a thrill, and if some shithead got scammed out of a hundred bucks so what? This progressed and got more and more seriious as the roles reversed and kim was the one egging on and leading the scams while jimmy was a little unsure about it. Then the crescendo we've seen lately. The cartel is involved and knows where she lives, and bursts into her home. She's been followed by some goons that are helping look out for her. Someone she's known for years is shot in front of her. Mike has the line about waht thyey're going to do with him and their coverup story and says "that's the story you were creating, right?" The enormous weight of all this has finally hit her that all of these things are because of her actions. It's perfectly rational to think that her wanting to wipe the slate completely clean is the next move for her. That involved ditching jimmy but I was surprised about quitting law, not sure where that's going but I'm sure they'll tell us.

And I mean, Kim isn't in BB. It'd be incredibly lazy and insulting to write her into it. She very well may be in Gene era, that's TBD. But between this ending of BCS time and beginning of Gene time she's gotta be somewhere. It's still not out of the question that she is vacuumed.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:27 am to
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It sounds like you think this was a copout or an illogical resolution but I think it makes perfect sense. Theres' been a slow build over YEARS that has now finally come to a head.


That's the problem I have here. They do this exact same slow burn over and over for YEARS with Kim, then at the drop of a hat, make a nonsensical change in a literal split second.

-they slow burned Mesa Verde forever. Then out of the blue one day, Kim stands up from her desk, quits, and walks out. (Oh, okay, i guess).

-they slow burned Kim's concern over jimmy losing his morality after Chuck's death forever. Then one day out of the blue, while confronting him about screwing her over behind her back, she asks him to marry her. (Huh? What? okay. alright i guess)

-they slow burned her as the moral compass for more than half of the series, then in the final season, she goes from harmless scamming of douchebags on a whim in a bar to wanting to ruin and destroy a colleague's life with a 19-stage multi-layered scam plot that requires treating it as a full time job to actually pull off. (Uh. Hang on. Wait just a minute here)

-And of course this last episode after slow burning her law career and the identity she carves out for herself within it for 6 freakin seasons, she suddenly quits the law altogether out of the blue in the middle of a case no less. (Huh? Again? Nope. Not buying. You did this too many times. Wtf?)

None of these things are very believable imo when you start to look under the hood and add up how many times they did the exact same cop out with her. Every time they needed to shift some pieces to make the two shows fit together, they just had Kim do some impulsive non-sensical thing out of the clear blue to tie up the loose ends. WHich I guess is a necessary thing in a prequel. SInce we already know what the other characters do in BB, the Kim character is the only chess piece they can constantly change and manipulate as they figure out the story and try to fit everything together.

I will give them major credit for one thing about Kim the character though. They made so many of the show's fans fall so head over heels in love with her that it blinded them to all of this. Even though after 6 seasons, none of us still know who or what she is. So, that's a pretty genius thing to pull off imo. They kept her as a blank slate for almost the entire show and everyone bought it no matter how many times they shifted who she is.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 9:33 am to
There's four episodes left though. So maybe there's something that happens that will add some context and change how I feel about what we just saw. But I think they're done with the BCS timeline.

Based on how much they know you all love Kim, it's definitely not the last time we see her though. I'm just hoping there's a satisfying melter twist to it somehow
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:08 am to
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hat's the problem I have here. They do this exact same slow burn over and over for YEARS with Kim, then at the drop of a hat, make a nonsensical change in a literal split second.


I know it sounds sudden but when you have this situation building up to crescendo how should it end? Just as slowly on the backside as the build up? I don't think you can do that once the shite hits the fan.

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-they slow burned Mesa Verde forever. Then out of the blue one day, Kim stands up from her desk, quits, and walks out.


she no longer wanted to do that type of work. We'd known already that she preferred to help out the little guy. Pretty impulsive and strange to just quit like she did but the move itself isn't crazy.

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they slow burned her as the moral compass for more than half of the series, then in the final season, she goes from harmless scamming of douchebags on a whim in a bar to wanting to ruin and destroy a colleague's life with a 19-stage multi-layered scam plot that requires treating it as a full time job to actually pull off.


that's our buildup. She loved the thrill and she loved to con. The stakes rose but it's not crazy that she would continue escalating down this path. Like an alcoholic that only drinks on weekends, then daily but only at night, then daily but not at work, then at work but only on lunch, then full blown daily from the time you wake up. You look at the end result and say "wtf happened here?" but you could see it ramping up over time.

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-And of course this last episode after slow burning her law career and the identity she carves out for herself within it for 6 freakin seasons, she suddenly quits the law altogether out of the blue in the middle of a case no less.


That was head scratchign and I dont' know why she did that, I imagine the writers will let us know. Perhaps after the realized the stakes were higher than she wanted she is wiping the slate clean altogether.


Posted by agentoranj1990
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 6:04 pm to
There is some far-fetched stuff this season but I think it's still good writing. These were difficult arcs to wrap up. Nacho, Lalo, and Kim had to go; and we know Gus and Mike had to survive. I think it would have been kind of interesting to keep Howard alive; then have Howard end up outing Gene somehow. It's always hard to create an ending on these shows with such intricate plots.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/23/22 at 9:07 pm to
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These were difficult arcs to wrap up.

They literally started the prequel off with a black n white Sequel

They had no idea where it would go

My guess is Kim will quit something out of nowhere to end the series in black n white

Posted by LSUHobNailBoot
Watkinsville - Georgia
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:29 am to
So just got caught up. I was 2 episodes behind.
Put me in the WTF category on the Kim exit.
I mean the entire series she was a main character and they write her off the show with that?
We are breaking up then the next scene is clearly many months or years after (Because now he has some huge house and hookers). Just seemed like a give up to me (unless they do some flash back or something we havent seen yet) just seems like a BIG chunk of story line is missing between breaking up and now he has this huge house, hookers etc.

Also what was the point of the "Wine" scene with Gus and that restaurant. Maybe I forgot a connection from previous episodes but seemed like a huge time waste.

Again love the show but the last episode had me scratching my head a bit.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:33 am to
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they write her off the show with that?


no way. There is zero chance that's the last screen time kim gets in teh show, it can't be possible. Whether we see her some time during BB era or afterwards in the Gene era, surely we will see her again at some point. There's way too much left to resovle with her story.

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Also what was the point of the "Wine" scene with Gus and that restaurant


I thought the same and saw someone else on another board float an idea that seems plausible. To paraphrase their thoughts, basically Gus is trying to step out and be "normal" and he does get enthralled iwht the gay dude's story and is actually feeling happy. But when the guy walks away and gus is left to himself he snaps out of it and realizes that he's not a "normal" guy and trying to socialize like that isn't really for him.
Posted by LSUHobNailBoot
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 11:46 am to
Ok that makes plausible sense (The wine scene) and can see that because you can see him smiling and enjoying the conversation, etc.

Also I guess the "time jump" is a year later (or so) as his plate has Nov 05 on it. So they skipped a year.

Like you said I cannot imagine they dont at least fill in some key data points between those two scenes. Maybe not though.
Still a great show.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 1:00 pm to
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Also what was the point of the "Wine" scene with Gus and that restaurant. Maybe I forgot a connection from previous episodes but seemed like a huge time waste.

I interpreted it as wrapping up Gus’s time on BCS. Both franchises are about people reaping the consequences of their actions and this goofy cringy scene I believe was suppose to show that Gus’s decision to live in the dark world of crime and revenge means that he has to sacrifice any and all forms of intimacy or genuine relationships. You also can’t discount the clown world times we live in, and I sincerely believe this was also a major virtue signal right at the end to say “hey, look! Don’t forget that this historically popular tv show had a major character that is not just a person if color, but he’s also a homosexual! We were kind of ambiguous before, but he’s definitely gay! Wee! Look at us!”

Personally, Ive never once been curious about what the Gus character does in his free time, gay or not gay, so this scene was a major bummer to me. They whiffed hard here. And honestly it was a pretty stereotypical scene. Two gays chortling about pretentious aged grape juice and putting down and belittling some guy and his wife for not ordering correctly. In other words, doing the stereotypical thing that gays in tv always do . Gossip and put people down.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 6:06 pm to
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We are breaking up then the next scene is clearly many months or years after (Because now he has some huge house and hookers). Just seemed like a give up to me (unless they do some flash back or something we havent seen yet) just seems like a BIG chunk of story line is missing between breaking up and now he has this huge house, hookers etc.

I took it to mean that 1) Jimmy boy got the sand piper millions from the early settlement. 2) That this (and not any Walter white drug money) paid for his Cadillac/Mara lago/gold toilet/etc and 3) That Kim took the pro bono high road and didn’t take any of it because she changed on a dime and now walks the straight and narrow and is to righteous now to accept “blood money”

I actually really liked the time jump and leaving Kim behind though. It comforting to me to know they still remember what the name of the show is . It’s Better Call Saul not Better call Jimmy and lame arse nonsensical unbelievable Kim.

It’s also pretty clear from the time jump to wherever we are that they want us to believe that the whole Saul thing in BB is all an act. A coping mechanism to keep from ever having to think about his role in Chucks and Howard’s deaths or how Kim rejected him and ic cold admitted to him that she was only with him for “fun”.

It’s pretty brilliant to think about. In BB, Saul was basically comic relief. A dirtbag that was so confident and hilarious in his dirtbaggery that you couldn’t help but like him. But now they’ve made it clear that it’s all an act. And Saul is probably the saddest character in the entire franchise now. A born loser rejected by any and everyone that hes ever cared about. So he decides to just embrace and embody the person they didn’t want him to be. And to turn it all up to 11
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:06 pm to
frick Yes on the opening
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:20 pm to
Looks like we’ve got our first full Gene episode.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 7/25/22 at 8:39 pm to
Just popping in to point out that Gene just measured , drafted, then set up a Line festival obstacle course
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