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re: OT-: Let's Talk Socialism

Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:09 am to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:09 am to
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corruption...thus the need for regulation


Regulation almost always favors the rich.

Corruption is against the law. Enforce the laws and the need for regulation dwindles.

Hell is always paved with good intentions. Democrats will never learn this.
Posted by SidewalkDawg
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:41 pm to
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Capitalism only works without corruption...thus the need for regulation


Capitalism gives an avenue for human greed to flourish but does so in a "win-win" environment instead of a zero sum one.

Combine it with Free Market ideals and you have people bringing themselves out of poverty in higher rates than any other socio-economic system.
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:46 pm to
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Regulation almost always favors the rich. Corruption is against the law. Enforce the laws and the need for regulation dwindles. Hell is always paved with good intentions. Democrats will never learn this.


Regulation will almost always favor the rich, powerful and connected no doubt, but there is no difference between regulations and laws. If you enforce laws you are increasing regulation. You can decide to forget about regulations in the same way some states have deregulated or decriminalized marijuana but laws and regulations are synonymous.

And hell may be paced with good intentions and somehow democrats in some folks minds will never learn this, whatever that means....but good intentions are also responsible for the United States being the greatest experiment that mankind has ever enjoyed. If sensible taxation and sensible regulation and sensible personal freedom is the asphalt for hell so be it because they are all certainly good intentions.....and who wouldn't prefer a hell with paved roads instead of pig trails and dirt paths? No doubt those roads in hell will be paved by a collective effort because there ain't no way to do it any other way....
Posted by Gtmodawg
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Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/6/20 at 5:50 pm to
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Capitalism gives an avenue for human greed to flourish but does so in a "win-win" environment instead of a zero sum one. Combine it with Free Market ideals and you have people bringing themselves out of poverty in higher rates than any other socio-economic system.



Absolutely...as long as their is a collective effort to do things that are too big, too unprofitable or otherwise not consistent with free market economies such as our judicial system, the military, etc etc etc....sensible taxation and sensible regulation is the only mechanism for facilitating the win win environment...otherwise you have a system of the survival of the most willing to commit the most atrocities to meet their ends...
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:58 pm to
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Regulation will almost always favor the rich, powerful and connected no doubt, but there is no difference between regulations and laws. If you enforce laws you are increasing regulation. You can decide to forget about regulations in the same way some states have deregulated or decriminalized marijuana but laws and regulations are synonymous.


If your implication is that judgment of laws (similar to manipulation and adhering to regulations) favors the rich, then I agree. OJ Simpson and Jeffrey Epstein get different justice than the rest of the population.

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democrats in some folks minds will never learn this, whatever that means...

The Green New Deal
Universal Basic Income
Single Payer Healthcare
Campaign Finance Reform

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but good intentions are also responsible for the United States being the greatest experiment that mankind has ever enjoye

I disagree. I think the declaration of independence and the constitution are responsible for the greatest experiment that mankind has ever enjoyed. Good intentions attack the 1st and 2nd amendments all of the time. People are human and our country is run by people. But the constitution protects human rights. And that is the source of our greatness
Posted by Brick67
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:56 pm to
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I think the declaration of independence and the constitution are responsible for the greatest experiment that mankind has ever enjoyed. Good intentions attack the 1st and 2nd amendments all of the time. People are human and our country is run by people. But the constitution protects human rights. And that is the source of our greatness


Boom...this is it right there. The beauty of those documents is the founders left mechanisms in place for future generations to make course corrections and damn hard to change for a reason. That includes the ability for the states to convene a Constitutional Convention.
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