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re: Matt Landers / Tyler Simmons

Posted on 11/10/19 at 4:21 pm to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/10/19 at 4:21 pm to
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There are a good many "Georgia" fans on these internet message boards who think Pickens has an "attitude" because he jilted Auburn. When you see somebody labelling Pickens as a problem child because of commonplace freshman exciteability and mistakes , you've likely spotted one.




It seems odd that you put parnetheses around "Georgia" fans when they criticize a player, yet you are a big criticizer yourself.

He is cocky. There is no denying that. He does try to make highlight style catches...although the one that was pointed out on TV yesterday was wrong. The DB had him by the wrist and was pulling it down.

And...somebody mentioned he is an academic risk and was called out on it. it is not far fetched. He was a borderline nonqualifier this past season.

That said, i think with the tutor help he gets at UGA he will be fine. I hope so, anyway. I also don't think he will be a discipline problem. He seems to listen intently when the coaches are getting on to him.

All we can do is hope for the best. Every kid on the team should be a concern to a certain level. There have been several players in the past that have gotten into some trouble that has surprised me.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14136 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 5:12 pm to
Pickens didn’t intentionally try to one hand that miss...the defender had a hold on the wrist of his other arm. You have to watch the replay closely. Or at least that’s what I remember from last night.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 5:38 pm to
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Pickens didn’t intentionally try to one hand that miss...the defender had a hold on the wrist of his other arm. You have to watch the replay closely. Or at least that’s what I remember from last night.



You are correct. I think we are seeing him start to click. He is running good routes and getting some separation.
Posted by SCDawg95
Fayetteville ,NC
Member since Oct 2019
5595 posts
Posted on 11/10/19 at 9:58 pm to
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Some of you seem to forget that Pickens may have a bit of an attitude because he’s young. Don’t confuse yourself comparing everyone to Cager who is 22 years old and a grad transfer.
oh I totally believe that it’s from him being young and I don’t really think his attitude is an issue and as he gets older I’m going retry sure it’ll wear out I just hope he calms down a little
Posted by swdawg
Member since Sep 2012
705 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:38 am to
It would be fine with me if Matt Landers never saw the field again. Just a little more effort and it would’ve been 6 on that pass at the goal line against floriduh. But he just stuck his hand out.
The second and third interceptions against USCe were on Landers and Simmons, not Fromm. Landers ran the wrong route and like everyone has said, Simmons can’t catch.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:49 am to
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Just a little more effort and it would’ve been 6 on that pass at the goal line against floriduh. But he just stuck his hand out.


Doubtful, but Peter calls it “short arming”, not that he can explain to anyone what that means.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:27 am to
Anyone who played football and doesn’t depend on Google knows the term short arm and how it is used. To argue it, still, confirms your knowledge base. On the play in the end zone, the DB got his hand over the top of Pickens arm. Though they could call PI on that, the reality is it happens and a receiver needs to learn to get his body and arms in a better spot to make a play. He seems to be progressing, so hopefully he learns from it.
Posted by TrackDawg
Sugar Hill
Member since Sep 2013
964 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:35 am to
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Doubtful, but Peter calls it “short arming”, not that he can explain to anyone what that means.


We know what it means and you were wrong. He alligator armed it. He pretended like he was a T-Rex.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:43 am to
A close look at the play proved you wrong. T rex has short arms, while Landers has long arms, so that description makes no sense.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:46 am to
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Anyone who played football and doesn’t depend on Google knows the term short arm and how it is used.


Yet you can’t explain what it means.

To add to it, you don’t even know the short arming term is in fact typically applied to throwing a baseball or football. It damn sure isn’t applicable to a WR fully extending his arm to reach an inaccurate pass.
Posted by SneakyWaff1es
Member since Nov 2012
3939 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:56 am to
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not that he can explain to anyone what that means.
If you need that explained to you, it doesn't sound like it's his problem.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 7:57 am to
Give her a shovel and she digs her own hole.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:06 am to
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you need that explained to you, it doesn't sound like it's his problem.



The only need is for Peter to try prove his point. The only way for him to prove his point it is to use words to describe the concept he speaks of, but he always backs down when it’s time to step up to the plate. Peter must be afraid his words will get used against him to prove him wrong. Only rationale explanation for such fear.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 8:07 am
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:07 am to
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Pickens didn’t intentionally try to one hand that miss...the defender had a hold on the wrist of his other arm. You have to watch the replay closely. Or at least that’s what I remember from last night.



You are absolutely correct. I saw the same thing. Almost a shame since the announcers made a big deal about it and the coaches seemed to be getting on him pretty good. That said...the coaches will see it when they break down the film.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:29 am to
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We know what it means and you were wrong. He alligator armed it. He pretended like he was a T-Rex.


You can technically alligator arm and short arm in the same play, but they are not the same. We teach kids to make a triangle like shape with their thumbs and pointer fingers to catch most balls. It is pinky’s for non extended catches below the waist. The triangle gets them used to having their hands in the best orientation to catch the football. Alligator arming is when your hands are separated and in a horizontal orientation to the ball, which creates a situation where you have no “pocket” to catch the ball. Short arming has to do with total body extension to catch a ball. Fully extending your arms, but not your upper body is short arming. If the ball is just past your finger tips and you are still standing, you did not make a full effort to catch the ball. You also see short arming when a QB throws a hard ball and the players doesn’t seem to want to get his hands out to where the ball is... what is troubling, is you don’t see this behavior too often in games. In practice, some guys just don’t want to hit the ground. In games though, not making a full effort is troubling.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:33 am to
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Yet you can’t explain what it means.

To add to it, you don’t even know the short arming term is in fact typically applied to throwing a baseball or football. It damn sure isn’t applicable to a WR fully extending his arm to reach an inaccurate pass.

Well this is just awkward...
Nelson Agholor has baffling explanation for short-arming pass in Eagles blowout loss to Cowboys
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:42 am to
Jeff Kerr, is that you? In your google search, You found the one thing that mentions a wr short arming, which doesn’t really make any sense when watching the play.

The main problem is that you ignored how just about everything else in that search pertains to throwing a baseball or a football. You should know better than that fib. Shame.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:45 am to
... it's an article from this season using the phrase in exactly the same manner. If you've never heard it used in that context, I don't know what to tell you but it's not unilaterally used for throwing and frankly is very applicable to Landers receiving technique.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:49 am to
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Short arming has to do with total body extension to catch a ball. Fully extending your arms, but not your upper body is short arming.


No way Kirby plays him after that play if he viewed it like a worthless 1980’s OL does.

Analysis of the play shows Landers running full speed with full extension of his left arm with his upper body bending forward. That’s probably what Kirby saw.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32738 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 8:54 am to
Everything else is seemingly about throwing a ball, yet you think one small article from a random guy named Jeff Kerr proves your point? Maybe you should consider that Kerr is also misusing the term, and perhaps he should be blaming the qb for a poor throw. Logically speaking, Full extension of an arm is literally the opposite of short arming.
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