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Looking at the tail end of Bobo's playcalling here compared to present day
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:37 am
I feel bad for Bobo if he does end up being the OC because the fanbase already mostly dislikes him and just assumes that he's going to run a 2010 offense which is just silly. Monken is the best we've ever had so clearly Bobo will not be as good but I was curiosu about how Bobo did at the end of his tenure which coincided with more wide open offenses. Since what bobo did at the beginning of his playcalling career in 2007 has no bearing on later time/present day I just took his last 3 years as OC, since that's how many years we have from Monken.
2012
Yards Per Game- 467
Pass YPG- 285
Rush YPG- 183
Points per game- 38
2013
Yards Per Game- 484
Pass YPG- 314
Rush YPG- 170
Points per game- 37
2014
Yards Per Game- 458
Pass YPG- 200
Rush YPG- 258
Points per game- 41
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2020
Yards Per Game- 424
Pass YPG- 250
Rush YPG- 174
Points per game- 32
2021
Yards Per Game- 443
Pass YPG- 252
Rush YPG- 191
Points per game- 39
2022
Yards Per Game- 501
Pass YPG- 296
Rush YPG- 205
Points per game- 41
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Some takeaways:
-At first glance, Bobo fared far better statistically than most people seem to want to remember. Never less than 37 ppg of 450 ypg. I think if this was anyone other than mike bobo people would take that in a heartbeat from monken's successor
-Bobo showed adaptability. In 2012 and 2013 we had a stud QB, probably one of the 2 or 3 best we've ever had. As such we threw it a ton (more PYPG than monken in 2020 and 2021 to boot). In 2014 we had hutson mason at QB and a loaded backfield, so you can seee the PYPG went down significantly that year while RYPG exploded.
-Simply as a point of comparison, bobo didn't have nearly the overall toolset that monken has had from top to bottom. RB rooms you'd have to give the not to Bobo. WR both guys have had talent to work with. Monken has had the best WR of the bunch (pickens) btu bobo probably had more quantity of real good guys. TE is no comparison for monken. But OL and defense are runaways for monken. Our 2012 OL was good, but our OL the last 2 seasons has likely been the best in America. Not only has monken had superior talent for sure, depth is not even a qustion. As we all know OL recruiting/depth was one of if not THE biggest wtf achilles heel of richt's entire tenure. Losing 1 or 2 starters would essentially derail the whole unit because our quality backups were non existent. And then of course you have the matter of defnese. Monken has had the best defense in america the last 2 years while bobo mostly had grantham. It's gotta be nice as an OC to come out of halftime in like 80% of the games you play kowing that the game is already over since your defense isn't letting the other team score
-on a similar note, because of our outlandishly elite recruiting we have been able to plug in guys and not skip a beat. We lose our #1 WR in game 2 of 2023 and we don't even really need him again, that would be insnae to think about in bobo's tenure. In 2013 we were down to brendon douglas and jj green as our starting RBs and rantavious wooten as our #1 receiver, and STILL put up those numbers above. Teh weapons at the new guys' disposal will be far better overall than what bobo had.
-people like to say "bobo is stuck in a richt pro style offense"...why woudl you think that in 2023? Bobo called the offense that way at that time because it was 1)the style we enployed at the time 2)what the HC wanted. The style nowadays and what the head coach wants are both vastly diferent. MOnken has gone on record this postseason in saying that Bobo has collaboared with him a bunch and bobo even called a couple of our TD plays late in the year. To think that bobo is going to run a 2007 offense is absurd. And you can see that archaic pro-style offense going bye bye in the numbers above , which was right around the time the nation really started shifting to the modern offenses we see today.
I've said before that at this stage of where we are as a program, any opening we have we should scour the country to pto bottom, college and pro, and find the very best person for the job. Is that Bobo? I don't know, logical tjhinking would indicate that no he's probably not. So this isn't a "I want mike bobo!" post. It's simply pointing out taht it's not a coley/schottenheimer level disaster of a hire and peole only latch on to a couple memes and bad plays and ignore the other great stuff he did.
2012
Yards Per Game- 467
Pass YPG- 285
Rush YPG- 183
Points per game- 38
2013
Yards Per Game- 484
Pass YPG- 314
Rush YPG- 170
Points per game- 37
2014
Yards Per Game- 458
Pass YPG- 200
Rush YPG- 258
Points per game- 41
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2020
Yards Per Game- 424
Pass YPG- 250
Rush YPG- 174
Points per game- 32
2021
Yards Per Game- 443
Pass YPG- 252
Rush YPG- 191
Points per game- 39
2022
Yards Per Game- 501
Pass YPG- 296
Rush YPG- 205
Points per game- 41
___________________________
Some takeaways:
-At first glance, Bobo fared far better statistically than most people seem to want to remember. Never less than 37 ppg of 450 ypg. I think if this was anyone other than mike bobo people would take that in a heartbeat from monken's successor
-Bobo showed adaptability. In 2012 and 2013 we had a stud QB, probably one of the 2 or 3 best we've ever had. As such we threw it a ton (more PYPG than monken in 2020 and 2021 to boot). In 2014 we had hutson mason at QB and a loaded backfield, so you can seee the PYPG went down significantly that year while RYPG exploded.
-Simply as a point of comparison, bobo didn't have nearly the overall toolset that monken has had from top to bottom. RB rooms you'd have to give the not to Bobo. WR both guys have had talent to work with. Monken has had the best WR of the bunch (pickens) btu bobo probably had more quantity of real good guys. TE is no comparison for monken. But OL and defense are runaways for monken. Our 2012 OL was good, but our OL the last 2 seasons has likely been the best in America. Not only has monken had superior talent for sure, depth is not even a qustion. As we all know OL recruiting/depth was one of if not THE biggest wtf achilles heel of richt's entire tenure. Losing 1 or 2 starters would essentially derail the whole unit because our quality backups were non existent. And then of course you have the matter of defnese. Monken has had the best defense in america the last 2 years while bobo mostly had grantham. It's gotta be nice as an OC to come out of halftime in like 80% of the games you play kowing that the game is already over since your defense isn't letting the other team score
-on a similar note, because of our outlandishly elite recruiting we have been able to plug in guys and not skip a beat. We lose our #1 WR in game 2 of 2023 and we don't even really need him again, that would be insnae to think about in bobo's tenure. In 2013 we were down to brendon douglas and jj green as our starting RBs and rantavious wooten as our #1 receiver, and STILL put up those numbers above. Teh weapons at the new guys' disposal will be far better overall than what bobo had.
-people like to say "bobo is stuck in a richt pro style offense"...why woudl you think that in 2023? Bobo called the offense that way at that time because it was 1)the style we enployed at the time 2)what the HC wanted. The style nowadays and what the head coach wants are both vastly diferent. MOnken has gone on record this postseason in saying that Bobo has collaboared with him a bunch and bobo even called a couple of our TD plays late in the year. To think that bobo is going to run a 2007 offense is absurd. And you can see that archaic pro-style offense going bye bye in the numbers above , which was right around the time the nation really started shifting to the modern offenses we see today.
I've said before that at this stage of where we are as a program, any opening we have we should scour the country to pto bottom, college and pro, and find the very best person for the job. Is that Bobo? I don't know, logical tjhinking would indicate that no he's probably not. So this isn't a "I want mike bobo!" post. It's simply pointing out taht it's not a coley/schottenheimer level disaster of a hire and peole only latch on to a couple memes and bad plays and ignore the other great stuff he did.
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:48 am to WG_Dawg
If Bobo were to take over, he would be doing so with an offense that has been operating under a different philosophy. It is not like he will all of a sudden change it. He has been in the meetings and knows the systems and nomenclature. I would assume they would continue to operate under that … the differences will be game to game adjustments and play calls. Not saying Bobo will be better, but also not going to assume he will be a lot worse.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 9:56 am to Peter Buck
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If Bobo were to take over, he would be doing so with an offense that has been operating under a different philosophy. It is not like he will all of a sudden change it. He has been in the meetings and knows the systems and nomenclature. I would assume they would continue to operate under that … the differences will be game to game adjustments and play calls. Not saying Bobo will be better, but also not going to assume he will be a lot worse.
I agree with all this. Except I'll go ahead and say he WON'T be better ,but again that's simply becuase it's hard to even fathom being better than what monken has done. So there's really only one way to go.
I just hate that the frist time we only score 20 points in a game, or don't convert a 3rd down, or a run is stopped at the LOS, people are going to be convinced it wasa bad hire and bobo sucks.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:13 am to WG_Dawg
I think Bobo could be solid, but feel strongly that we can do better.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:32 am to Crowknowsbest
You bring in someone else and the system likely changes. Thats a big deal.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:02 am to Peter Buck
It is, but how dependent is the success of the system on a dynamic play caller? Would a new system with a dynamic play caller be more effective?
I don’t have the answer to that obviously. I’m just not convinced that Bobo represents a continuation of this system. He has his own tendencies that would inevitably bring changes.
I don’t have the answer to that obviously. I’m just not convinced that Bobo represents a continuation of this system. He has his own tendencies that would inevitably bring changes.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:12 am to Crowknowsbest
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I’m just not convinced that Bobo represents a continuation of this system.
there's no evidence to suggest this though. When he was here over a decade ago it was practically a different game as far as offenses go, and in his extremely brief stints at SC and AU he was working within the confines of whatever system the HC wanted to run (both of which mind you were with far inferior talent to what he'd have here).
I think the odds are FAR more likely that things would look more or less the same in general with bobo at the helm here opposed to it being some brand new system of bobo's choosing.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:14 am to WG_Dawg
Why did you choose to not use Bobo's last three seasons as an OC?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:23 am to Cheer
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Why did you choose to not use Bobo's last three seasons as an OC?
because his 1-year stints as playcaller at utterly shittastic schools with lame duck head coaches and mediocre talent don't really factor into UGA, in addition to the fact that the overwhelming majority of people that would shite on the hire would do so by referencing his time while here.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:25 am to WG_Dawg
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there's no evidence to suggest this though.
There’s also no evidence that he can take over Monken’s system and effectively coordinate it.
I would argue that in most jobs, asking some to try to ignore their own skillset and copy their predecessor is a plan destined for disappointment.
ETA: AU and USCe have decent talent compared to most of the country. Utterly failing there isn’t a great sign.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 11:27 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:30 am to Crowknowsbest
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There’s also no evidence that he can take over Monken’s system and effectively coordinate it.
there's more evidence to this though, considering he's been around it and has helped scheme it and per monken himself bobo has recommended play calls this season taht monken implemeneted. All that is fact; to say "well he would completely change theh system and do something totally different" is not fact and is pure conjecture.
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asking some to try to ignore their own skillset
waht is bobo's skillset exactly that would be ignored?
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copy their predecessor is a plan destined for disappointment.
so on one hand people wouldn't like bobo because his archaic system that they remember isn't monken's system and would not be as successful, then on the other hand we're saying that "copying" monken's system will also lead to disappointment?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:32 am to Crowknowsbest
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AU and USCe have decent talent compared to most of the country. Utterly failing there isn’t a great sign.
Waht does the rest of hte country have to do with anything? SC in 2020 and AU in 2021 were both bad, bad football teams.
Bobo with joe cox at QB- not great stats
Bobo with aaron murray at QB- great stats
Funny how having better talent will make you look better.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 11:33 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:33 am to WG_Dawg
The problem with Bobo are the fans.
Fans shite on him when he played here.
Fans shite on him when he was hired.
Fans shite on him when he was promoted to OC/playcaller.
Bobo is more than fine. He is just a punching bag for the UGA fans that need a face to punch. And they always need a face.
My only beef with Bobo was that he was undeserving of being promoted OC for a top 10 team. The resume' at the time was not strong enough for the promotion. But he learned on the job and is probably the 2nd best OC in the history of UGA football.
Unfortunately, his entire life has been shutting up critics that are in his own house (UGA fans).
Fans shite on him when he played here.
Fans shite on him when he was hired.
Fans shite on him when he was promoted to OC/playcaller.
Bobo is more than fine. He is just a punching bag for the UGA fans that need a face to punch. And they always need a face.
My only beef with Bobo was that he was undeserving of being promoted OC for a top 10 team. The resume' at the time was not strong enough for the promotion. But he learned on the job and is probably the 2nd best OC in the history of UGA football.
Unfortunately, his entire life has been shutting up critics that are in his own house (UGA fans).
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:35 am to WG_Dawg
You’re putting a whole lot of words in my mouth.
Never said that
Ignored isn’t a good word, but I wouldn’t want to hire anyone on the premise that they are supposed to form fit to what their predecessor did. That goes for any job. If we hire Bobo, we should expect him to call plays based on his own ideas of what will be effective. After a decade since he’s been effective at doing so, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question if that’s the best move.
I’m saying that merely hiring someone to imitate someone else’s system is asking for a letdown, in my opinion.
I never said Bobo’s system is archaic. I have no idea if it would be or not.
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All that is fact; to say "well he would completely change theh system and do something totally different" is not fact and is pure conjecture.
Never said that
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waht is bobo's skillset exactly that would be ignored?
Ignored isn’t a good word, but I wouldn’t want to hire anyone on the premise that they are supposed to form fit to what their predecessor did. That goes for any job. If we hire Bobo, we should expect him to call plays based on his own ideas of what will be effective. After a decade since he’s been effective at doing so, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question if that’s the best move.
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so on one hand people wouldn't like bobo because his archaic system that they remember isn't monken's system and would not be as successful, then on the other hand we're saying that "copying" monken's system will also lead to disappointment?
I’m saying that merely hiring someone to imitate someone else’s system is asking for a letdown, in my opinion.
I never said Bobo’s system is archaic. I have no idea if it would be or not.
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:37 am to WG_Dawg
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Waht does the rest of hte country have to do with anything? SC in 2020 and AU in 2021 were both bad, bad football teams. Bobo with joe cox at QB- not great stats Bobo with aaron murray at QB- great stats Funny how having better talent will make you look better.
Todd Monken was successful at college stops with less talent than AU and USCe. Maybe we should start with the pool of coordinators that have done the same.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:41 am to meansonny
I agree with you, what boggles my mind is the WHY behind all the hatred.
NObody minded him when he was QBC early int he richt tenure, and we had some great QB play under him. When he first took over play calling duties in 07 (tail end of 06 technically) nobody had a probelm with him then either. Then we had joe cox and washaun ealey as our starting QB/RB in 09 and people started grumnbling. In 2010 we had a freshman QB, ealey and carlton thomas at RB, and a poor OL en route to a losing season and now it's all bobo's fault and his reputation is forever over. From 2011 -2014 when the offense was much improved and in fact shattered school records, people still opted to blindly regurgitate "run the damn bawl boboooo" memes and say he sucked. What he did after UGA is irrelevant. And if/when the day comes he's our OC again, I bet you literally any amount of money you want that people will refernece 2 things: 1) 2010 play calls 2) a single play in 2014 that wasn't bobo's fault in any way.
It's like some people have decided they simply flat out dislike the guy and no matter what happenes they won't let themsleves think any different.
NObody minded him when he was QBC early int he richt tenure, and we had some great QB play under him. When he first took over play calling duties in 07 (tail end of 06 technically) nobody had a probelm with him then either. Then we had joe cox and washaun ealey as our starting QB/RB in 09 and people started grumnbling. In 2010 we had a freshman QB, ealey and carlton thomas at RB, and a poor OL en route to a losing season and now it's all bobo's fault and his reputation is forever over. From 2011 -2014 when the offense was much improved and in fact shattered school records, people still opted to blindly regurgitate "run the damn bawl boboooo" memes and say he sucked. What he did after UGA is irrelevant. And if/when the day comes he's our OC again, I bet you literally any amount of money you want that people will refernece 2 things: 1) 2010 play calls 2) a single play in 2014 that wasn't bobo's fault in any way.
It's like some people have decided they simply flat out dislike the guy and no matter what happenes they won't let themsleves think any different.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:57 am to Crowknowsbest
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I’m saying that merely hiring someone to imitate someone else’s system is asking for a letdown, in my opinion.
in theory I agree. When kirby isn't here anymore we can't jsut say "let's get someone to do what kirby did", it's obviously more nuanced than that. I just think that bobo working closely with monken the last couple years, it's not really asking him to imitate monken as much as it is saying "hey, here is our offensive systme. It's waht we run. Let's keep running it". No different thatn how we run the same defensive style whether it's Mel Tucker, dan lanning, or schu/muschamp.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:06 pm to WG_Dawg
A major part of my point of view is that UGA’s OC job is probably the absolute best non-HC job in the college game at this time. The world is our oyster in terms of finding A+ candidates.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:38 pm to WG_Dawg
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it's not really asking him to imitate monken as much as it is saying "hey, here is our offensive systme. It's waht we run. Let's keep running it".
Hopefully Bobo is smart enough to take a different approach.
“Hey, this shite works….I’m going to keep doing that..”
Posted on 2/9/23 at 2:09 pm to SquatchDawg
As stated in an article:
"Monken is noted for his ability to create mismatches with unique formations through motions and shifts."
The real question is, does Bobo have the ability?
"Monken is noted for his ability to create mismatches with unique formations through motions and shifts."
The real question is, does Bobo have the ability?
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