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Justin Fields Compilation

Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:47 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:47 pm
I just posted in the other thread but thought I'd create a new one for discussion specific to his plays rather than just going off of memory to say who should get more or less playing time at the QB position.

Watch the video of all of Fields' plays for this season (so far) and judge for yourself how he's doing.

Justin Fields 2018
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:14 pm to
He's going to be really good. Can't wait to see him with some more time in the system and more practice reading defenses before the snap. He very well could beat out Fromm next year if he continues get better this off season.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 11:15 pm
Posted by DanTheDawg
Colorado
Member since Dec 2015
94 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:46 pm to
The kid needs a tighter helmet reminds me of Albies for the braves
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:54 am to
I watched the entire video. Thanks for posting it.

But as I posted before, he's not ready up against big SEC teams. I think off season he really works on his passing and then let him show us what he can do next season.

Don't get me wrong. I like Fields and Fromm. But the maturity level on the field shows.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 6:55 am
Posted by claydawg09
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
1808 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 6:59 am to
I think the impressive thing with Fromm last year was that he could look at coverage pre-snap and tell who was going to be open. He often only made one read but it was the right read. He got better at working through progression later in the year and this year.

I’m comparison Fields seems less sure who is going to be open and so relies on his athletic ability before he needs to. He will get better with time and experience but as far as the mental part of the game goes Fromm is the clear number one.

HOW frickING EVER I still, like many of you, feel like Fields would be an absolute weapon on the goal line if used properly.
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
6132 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:02 am to
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ields seems less sure who is going to be open and so relies on his athletic ability before he needs to.


Exactly. That is why I mentioned the "maturity level."

I also think he can't read the defense as well either. Needs time in the film room.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 7:03 am
Posted by RedFive
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2168 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:17 am to
Running QBs gives Alabama fits. I know Smart has said they don’t have packages designed for Fields but maybe they should consider it. If our D tightens a little bit more and we get some kind of pass rush we have a good chance of beating them.
Posted by claydawg09
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
1808 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:38 am to
Anyone not named Deandre Baker in our secondary is going to get burned all night. Reed and Lecounte will whiff on several basic tackles and be exposed in coverage. Last year we had the talent but went too conservative in the second half. This year I’m afraid we don’t have the talent.
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 7:45 am to
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Running QBs gives Alabama fits.


Wasn't aware of that.

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If our D tightens a little bit more and we get some kind of pass rush we have a good chance of beating them.


I agree that our pass rush isn't the best. We have 2 more games to get our pass rush up to par and they have been getting better but they need seriously focus on the pass rush during upcoming practices and games. But I was the one who said we will beat Bama in the SECCG. In order to win out, we will need our O and D to step up and get in sync but I think our O will be the ones to get us to the win. And if Tua isn't 100% and neither is Hurts and they use the Bolles kid that gives us a better shot at the win. I still say we win in OT by 3 points.
That feeling has not changed.

Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
Member since Sep 2009
15296 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 8:59 am to
All world talent, needs to work on reading coverages and limiting the hits on him when he runs.


2019 could be his year.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 9:01 am
Posted by RedFive
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2168 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 9:28 am to
Maybe I should have said historically gives them fits.....
Posted by grey
Member since Aug 2015
3346 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 10:40 am to
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I also think he can't read the defense as well either. Needs time in the film room.


Justin Fields won the Elite 11. He might be further ahead than you think.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 10:57 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41682 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:08 pm to
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Justin Fields won the Elite 11. He might be further ahead than you think.
So did Jeff Driskel.

No one is arguing that Fields doesn't have the physical tools necessary to succeed. The issue is whether or not he has a good grasp of the play book, defensive reads, and protections.

After spending the time to put together that video, I have not been impressed with him beyond his speed and size as a QB. He's a bruiser running the ball, which is great, but he hasn't wow'd me with his decision making and throws so far this season. That's perfectly fine for a true freshman and what I'd expect from someone playing their first year in the SEC, so that's not a sleight against him.
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
2046 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:40 pm to
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So did Jeff Driskel.

No one is arguing that Fields doesn't have the physical tools necessary to succeed. The issue is whether or not he has a good grasp of the play book, defensive reads, and protections.

After spending the time to put together that video, I have not been impressed with him beyond his speed and size as a QB. He's a bruiser running the ball, which is great, but he hasn't wow'd me with his decision making and throws so far this season. That's perfectly fine for a true freshman and what I'd expect from someone playing their first year in the SEC, so that's not a sleight against him.



So did DeShaun Watson.

Are you looking at what Fields is doing on passing versus what the play called for? Kirby and Chaney are not giving Fields the same pass plays that they are giving Fromm. I believe he has gotten 1-2 pass plays where he actually could throw the ball down the field.

I watched your video compilation - most passes are quick throws by design. Chaney is telling Fields to throw to his first option and get the ball quick - and that is exactly what Fields is doing.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:12 pm to
So, is it a conspiracy to keep him from beating out Fromm or do they know something we don’t ?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41682 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:51 pm to
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So did DeShaun Watson.
So did Tua. My point isn't who is/was great, but who wasn't. Winning the Elite 11 MVP doesn't necessarily mean they are going to be all-world in college, at least not their freshman season. A lot of those winners actually needed a few seasons to find their groove.

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Are you looking at what Fields is doing on passing versus what the play called for?
Yes, or at least to the best of my ability to know what was called. Improvisation exists in all offenses and with all QBs to one degree or another so it's sometimes difficult to know if the play executed is the play that was called.

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Kirby and Chaney are not giving Fields the same pass plays that they are giving Fromm.
Of course not. Fromm had a full year on Fields in terms of experience by the time Fields walked on to campus earlier this year. It is very likely that From has mastered the entire play book by this point while Fields is still learning it.

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I believe he has gotten 1-2 pass plays where he actually could throw the ball down the field.
He's had a few more than 1 or 2 opportunities, but he's been limited. It's usually more dangerous for someone inexperienced to throw the ball downfield than to run with it and Fields' skill set lends himself to be trusted more to run with the ball than to dissect defenses and throw darts left and right; Fromm does that well enough so Fields doesn't necessarily give us anything there right now. Fields is needed for his legs and the threat of passing that defenses have to account for.

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I watched your video compilation - most passes are quick throws by design.
Yep, which was the bread and butter for Fromm last season, except they were mostly RPOs.

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Chaney is telling Fields to throw to his first option and get the ball quick - and that is exactly what Fields is doing.
That's likely what is happening, but the question is "why?"

The "why" is typically answered by the simple fact that true freshman often struggle learning the ins and outs of the entire play book. They don't typically have the experience to process everything at the line and they can be completely overwhelmed with having to run the entire offense on the field. OC's therefore simplify things by giving them one target or one side of the field to focus on. They dial up easy/high-percentage throws for them. This is completely normal for freshmen or anyone coming into the system brand new with little to no experience leading a D1 offense.

I contend that the likely reason for the limited play calling with Fields by Chaney is that it's just where Fields is at in regards to "getting" the offensive scheme and the play book. He's just not there yet to be able to take the reins of the offense and run with it like Fromm has been able to do at this point and frankly I don't think he'll be there this season.

I imagine he'll take the experience he's gained this season and apply it in the off-season and come back a new player. He'll start fall camp with a better understanding of the play book, be able to more effectively manage the offense, be able to know what's going on with the defense before the ball in snapped, and most importantly, the game will likely be slower for him because he won't have to think as much out there; it'll just happen. That's typical. What's atypical is a true freshman coming out in his first game and being able to light up defenses with his arm and his legs.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:09 pm to
LINK

Here he watches the TE(Woerner) the WHOLE WAY on the corner route. Once the backer funnels the TE and the safety comes over, he bails immediately to the check down which is Herrien on the swing route.

Nauta is covered on the bottom so no window there to throw. However he never looks to the #1 and #2 receivers up top. They BOTH have created separation although throwing it to #1 up top would have been a stretch. The backer in the hook curl zone closes that window pretty quick on #1 up top. I can't see exactly where the safety is but I bet if he looked in the middle of the field he had a potential window to throw to the slot receiver (#2 receiver up top).

At the bare minimum he should have looked at the slot in the middle of the field before bailing to Herrien.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:14 pm to
And I think most agree he will watch film and grow and learn from this. To Fields benefit, he isn’t trying to force it. He is taking what he sees. That and film is a good base to grow a talent like his.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
6619 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:19 pm to
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And I think most agree he will watch film and grow and learn from this. To Fields benefit, he isn’t trying to force it. He is taking what he sees. That and film is a good base to grow a talent like his.


Oh I'm definitely not dogging the kid just critiquing what I see as I run that play back a few times. I mainly am doing it to make an argument towards those that think he should be starting right now over Fromm.

I hope Kirby gives him the key to the Ferrari early on Saturday and he can gain some more confidence and grow.
This post was edited on 11/12/18 at 2:25 pm
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:00 pm to
Well the SEC’s leading rusher at QB led his team to 0 against Bama last week
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