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Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:37 pm to
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:37 pm to
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Nickel comes from having 5 DB's on the field and eliminating the SAM.


Our Sam and Will Linebackers are essentially up in a 4 man front in our nickel packages (essentially a defensive end).

We run off one of our defensive tackles and add an extra safety in our nickel package.

Nickel is 5 defensive backs. It doesn't have to be your Sam that comes off the field. It can be a DT as we have run it the past 4 years.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 9:49 pm to
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Will is the Weak ILB, for christ sakes. We can send any LB, but it will come from the outside most of the time. This gives the Mike and Will the ability to take care of the gaps. Why the hell do you think Herrera and Wilson lead the SEC in tackles?


what? bahahahahaha

You don't realize that Will is the weakside outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense.

Wilson and Herrera are our Mike and Moe linebackers in our defense. That's the 2 inside linebackers in both our base and nickel.

Jordan Jenkins is most often the Will this season (as Jarvis was last season... and Justin Houston was in his 4th year, here).
Posted by deeprig9
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:13 pm to
meansonny, do you think Grantham has earned the right to have another season with the dawgs? Or are you in the camp that says he should be fired immediately and Jefferson Dawg's 8 year old niece can do a better job?
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:22 pm to
Rig, I was wondering when you would show up and shed some light on this fool. I think he's a little vagina hurt.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:31 pm to
Grantham has another year.

We return all but 1.
We should be very strong at DT and DE.
We will have 2 returning starters at ILB (we haven't had that a lot during Grantham).
And we shouldn't be fielding any freshmen in the secondary.

I don't expect him here in 2015 whether he does a great job or not.
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 10:57 pm to
Now you're just stirring it up. This is your best shite all night! I love it! Cute it is Son..
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:00 pm to
What... nothing else to cut and paste?
Posted by Padawgjr
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:11 pm to
No cut and paste and not from wiki, just football. You sir are a defensive genius! Absolutely the most open-minded person on this board! BTW, the definition of "open-minded" is the willingness to argue. In case, you don't understand, again. You're generally a good dude, but even with my 3-4 Wild Turkeys/almost drunk arse, can't listen to this all night.

P.S. 1 cut and paste was basically from 3-4 defense for dummies. I believe, even a well rounded Georgia grad can grasp the "Dummies" knowledge.
This post was edited on 12/4/13 at 11:16 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:20 pm to
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3-4 Wild Turkeys/almost drunk arse


Considering that you didn't realize Kwame Geathers took over the NT duties last season...
And that 5 DBs equals a nickel defense...
And that Boykin, Swann, and JHC were/are all DBs (star defender)...
And that the will linebacker at UGA is an outside linebacker that pass rushes 80% of the time...

You should have lied and said you had a 1/5th of Wild Turkey. If you blamed your posts on alcohol, I would believe that you actually watch UGA football the past 4 years. Instead, your almost drunk arse is generally wrong.

You don't have to like me. Believe me. Or listen to me.
But if you were smart, you would walk away from the keyboard tonight.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/4/13 at 11:24 pm to
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P.S. 1 cut and paste was basically from 3-4 defense for dummies. I believe, even a well rounded Georgia grad can grasp the "Dummies" knowledge.


You obviously didn't read it. Because it tells you that the weak inside linebacker is NOT the Will in the 3-4.

FWIW, UGA/Grantham doesn't use the terminology from a 3-4 defense for dummies book. As I said... pay attention from the last 4 years and this stuff will make sense.
Posted by Cherokee Chinstrap
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:06 am to
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meansonny


It's not worth your time man, Padawg is one another level, a defensive genius, the second coming of Dick LeBeau if you ask me. His knowledge of the game is clearly superior to any/everyone on this board. To be completely honest I would be shocked if he is not hired by a major program by the end of the week.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 12:10 am
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
1017 posts
Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:50 am to
Well I do coach. But it's obvious that this "click"is far superior to anything in the Defensive world today. We look at how our guys match up agains yours. Period! TG is not a D coordinator and everyone knows this. Let's agree to disagree, so this argument can be muted. All I'm doing is trying to give a basic understanding of a 3-4/Hybrid D. That's it. If you fellas can't understand, that's fine. But the future of our program lies in our fans. understanding the mismatch of our secondary and how this D really works. They deserve to understand how we are supposed to run this D. It's not just the Front 7, which is the entire argument of this topic. It has gone too far. What you see on Sat is not what you know. Sorry guys, but you're dead wrong when it comes to our defense and how KG was our #1NT last year, no matter how you slice it. Our D doesn't work without the big guy and this is the misunderstood point here. It's over, get some rest and Go Dawgs! We own this state and I guess that's all that matters? Cheers to you fellas and the insightful mute arguments laid down by non Defensive minded folks, beside Rig and myself. Once again, do the research, try a few different approaches to the 3-4 system and get back with me. This is something I've instilled, tried to instill in HS programs around the SE, but you can't do it without the right guys, period. No way, no how. You will easily understand why it doesn't work this year with a little do diligence, I promise. Don't hate on a person that does this every single day. GATA!!!
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64237 posts
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:20 am to
quote:

Grantham has another year.

We return all but 1.
We should be very strong at DT and DE.
We will have 2 returning starters at ILB (we haven't had that a lot during Grantham).
And we shouldn't be fielding any freshmen in the secondary.



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Posted by CockInYourEar
Charlotte
Member since Sep 2012
22458 posts
Posted on 12/5/13 at 7:43 am to
Johnson runs the 4-2-5. Your team has been recruiting for the 3-4 for many years now. There won't be as swift as a transition as y'all would hope. JHC would make a monster Spur though.

Johnson is one of the best DC's in the country. He was a bad HC, but you can't question his DC prowess, looks at his defenses' rankings over the years, he gets the job done at an elite level.

He's as old or older than Spurrier though, he might coach 4-5 more years and then retire. I don't think he'll leave Aub.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25806 posts
Posted on 12/5/13 at 8:35 am to
Cheers

We're talking about two different things.
I am not a defensive guru. But my passion is uga football. I make the effort to know as much as I can. I watch as much film as I can. And Grantham's scheme has 4 years of film. I think I have a pretty good grasp of formations, personnel, and schemes.

You have expertise in your high school defenses. I'm sure you are an expert on what you do. But it is very different from what we've seen from Grantham the past 4 years. Maybe Grantham is the dumbass and should take some tips from you.

As far as our 3-4 defense is cncerned, you really only have North Texas and Georgia Tech to give you a lot of film to review. I suggest you check out Chris Mayes in both of those games and get back to me on our personnel with a 2 gap scheme. We've got our guy, is all I am saying.
Posted by Padawgjr
Member since Sep 2012
1017 posts
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:14 pm to
When Mayes is playing NT, he is always going to be in the 1 Tech. Depending on how the Offense Lines up, we will use Drew and (now Taylor) in the 4 Techs. If they use a TE, our DE's will be in a 3 Tech and 5 Tech depending on where they line up. This is the one gap defense you are refering to. So, I agree with you that lately Mayes has been more of a true NT. He was early in the season too. The problem is on passing downs or 3rd downs where you talk about us playing Nickel.

Now that I've had some time to rewatch a little more tape, I see where you would think that we are playing "Nickel" on 3rd downs and obvious passing downs. We usually take Chris Mays out and put Drew and Smith as our 2 interior DT's. Then we put Floyd and Jenkins in rush end positions. JHC, plays in the "star" or SS position, closer to the LOS. Herrera will play closer to the LOS and Wilson will play deeper in a cover position. This allows a speed rush on the edge and up the middle if necessary. We put Matthews as our 1 deep safety with Swann and Shaq on the Corners. This gives us a look of 5 cover guys and sometimes we do throw in an extra safety. But we will almost always use this formation on passing downs, unless the Offense lines up otherwise.

Our base defense in early downs is a true 3-4, with 3 true D-Linemen in the 1, 3-5 Techs. We use Jenkins and Floyd on the edge. Herrera and Wilson will control the gaps every single time. Mayes is not "unblockable" and that is what makes the 1 gap 3-4 defense work, so we will often use Drew or another DE in a wider Tech, to create a mismatch with our LB's. Sorry for the confusion, I really didn't understand what the heck you were talking about, coming from a coaching point of view. I have watched every game this season and have them recorded. I will get back with you when I have a chance to watch more tape.
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