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re: J.K. Dobbins Deserved the Invitation

Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:30 am to
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:30 am to
See. You are still making the same mistakes.

If you truly can’t tell the difference between a single wild cat play and a series of normal plays, you don’t know football or math well enough to participate on this board.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:33 am to
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he didn’t drop 2 TDs. He dropped one at the 12 yard line and 1 in the end zone. Neither were good passes.


Only a troll would claim dobbins didn’t possibly drop 2 td passes.

That screen pass specifically was a good pass ( much better than the typical Fromm pass to running backs) by any reasonable eye and he had blockers and a lot of green grass in front of him.
Posted by HTDawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:38 am to
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Stop lying, he didn’t drop 2 TDs. He dropped one at the 12 yard line and 1 in the end zone. Neither were good passes. The blame goes on the QB, unless you concede that receivers not making plays on balls that are not good throws, but catchable, are on the receiver and not the QB....


I've already posted a link to the video. It was a perfectly thrown ball. Dobbins tried to run before he caught the ball and he had a wall of blockers. With his speed and ability he would have easily scored. That's a dropped TD as far as I'm concerned.

The second pass hit him in the hands. He made the catch. He simply dropped it when he went to the ground.

I dare you to post a video showing that both passes were bad and were Fields fault. You don't have the guts to do it because you know I'm right.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 11:40 am
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 11:38 am to
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If you truly can’t tell the difference between a single wild cat play and a series of normal plays, you don’t know football or math well enough to participate on this board.


Lol. Alright genius.

Describe a wildcat play for me. Go ahead and share your knowledge. Keep in mind that I will rip you apart for your failed semantics.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:09 pm to
Asking because you don’t know. Ok, let me help you out: In the uga offense, its essentially nothing but a direct snap to the runner.

We scored our final 2 tds in the rose bowl on wild cat plays, yet trolls like peter want to claim Fromm carried uga on his back to the victory.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:10 pm to
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direct snap to the runner.


Not quite there yet.

Do you want to be more specific? Or is that your answer?
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:15 pm to
That’s essentially the uga wild cat. Tell me how it’s wrong since that’s your implication here.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:15 pm to
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I've already posted a link to the video. It was a perfectly thrown ball. Dobbins tried to run before he caught the ball and he had a wall of blockers. With his speed and ability he would have easily scored. That's a dropped TD as far as I'm concerned.

The second pass hit him in the hands. He made the catch. He simply dropped it when he went to the ground.

I dare you to post a video showing that both passes were bad and were Fields fault. You don't have the guts to do it because you know I'm right.


Fields did not lead him on the pass and threw it too hard to his back shoulder. He was on the 20 yard line when he actually dropped it. #35 from Clemson was on backside pursuit and one on the Clemson LBs had already beaten a block and gained contain. It’s possible he could have broken some tackles and scored, but it was nowhere near a certainty. A better leading throw would have helped though. Just like the other drop that actually was in the end zone. Dobbins was wide open. A little more touch and he goes in walking.

Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:17 pm to
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That’s essentially the uga wild cat. Tell me how it’s wrong since that’s your implication here.


First: the wildcat is a formation. Not a play.

Do you agree?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:18 pm to
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Fields did not lead him on the pass and threw it too hard to his back shoulder.


Dobbins didn’t have to reach for the ball or wait for the ball. It was well placed and timed by any reasonable measure.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:22 pm to
Once again, here's the video. It was a perfectly thrown screen pass. He dropped it because he tried to run it before he caught it. Even Herbstreit said he had a convoy of blockers. With his talent he scores or at least gets down near the goal line. Even Day knew they had them dead to rights, from his reaction.

If you're going to be completely disingenuous then there is no point in even having this discussion.

LINK
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:22 pm to
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First: the wildcat is a formation. Not a play.


The play we do out of the wild cat formation is a direct snap to the runner.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:29 pm to
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quote:
First: the wildcat is a formation. Not a play.


The play we do out of the wild cat formation is a direct snap to the runner.



So you cant admit that the wildcat is a formation and not a play.

Can you admit what makes the wildcat a formation (unique to other formations)?
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:36 pm to
All that matters in regards to the discussion is fields was often inserted for single runs out of the wild cat, which helps prove my point.
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:44 pm to
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All that matters in regards to the discussion is fields was often inserted for single runs out of the wild cat, which helps prove my point.


So the wildcat is a formation (not a play).
And what makes the wildcat unique is that it will be a direct snap to an athlete other than the QB (running back like Sony/Swift, WR, or DB). It is usually a running play because... it isnt a QB.

Does this sound vaguely familiar to you?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:53 pm to
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Once again, here's the video. It was a perfectly thrown screen pass. He dropped it because he tried to run it before he caught it. Even Herbstreit said he had a convoy of blockers. With his talent he scores or at least gets down near the goal line. Even Day knew they had them dead to rights, from his reaction.

If you're going to be completely disingenuous then there is no point in even having this discussion.

LINK


A perfectly thrown screen pass would not have required him to “run before he caught it” as he would already have been running. Thats the point. Furthermore, at least, now we are at 1 for sure and one probable TD, so at least you are making progress.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:54 pm to
When uga employs the wild cat formation, we snap it to the runner:

- In 2017, we utilized Sony/Chubb for this play.
- In 2018, we utilized fields for this play.

Our starting qb doesn’t handle the ball on these plays.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:54 pm to
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perfectly thrown screen pass would not have required him to “run before he caught it” as he would already have been running.


So clueless.
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 1:02 pm to
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- In 2018, we utilized fields for this play.

Our starting qb doesn’t handle the ball on these plays.




So you still want to call it a wildcat play despite it not being a wildcat formation. What happened to facts and logic?

And instead of owning up to your mistake, you backtrack by claiming that Fields isnt the starting QB as if that magically makes him a running back like Sony/Swift.

Your ego clouds your ability to be taken seriously on here.
Facts and logic. Too funny.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/31/19 at 1:08 pm to
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A perfectly thrown screen pass would not have required him to “run before he caught it” as he would already have been running.


Okay dude, whatever helps you feel better. Every pass requires the receiver to catch it before they run. The video is right there. The proof is right there. If you can't admit the truth when it's right there for you to see, then I'm wasting my time.
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