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If Tua played his first game back ~28 days as QB from tightrope surgery

Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:05 am
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:05 am
Assuming Brock heals the exact same, which no doubt he would probably sooner. That puts him back on the field to play in game by 11/13.

That is 5 days prior to the UT game.

My prediction is he will be back for UT. Not saying he will be 100% but at least a decoy and/or pitch count

Any other game return predictions? (no trolls)
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:09 am to
We seem to be clearing players at 4 weeks. But for whatever reasons (bye week included), they aren't playing until 6 weeks.

It might be conditioning.
It might be lack of need based on scheme/opponent.
It might be that they need the extra time despite our medical staff clearing them for contact.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:11 am to
I thought Tua missed 1 game. I had read that he was back 12 days from surgery (and per reports, he didn't look great against LSU in 2019). The following week, he hurt his hip trying to escape the pocket and getting creamed.

It is one of the arguments that "back earlier is possible but may not be recommended".
Posted by Rex Feral
Athens
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 10:17 am to
Tua didn't move and cut the way Brock does. No way he plays until January 1.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:09 am to
He was playing QB, he has to play every down and cut or plant on every play

I would think the strain on Tua had to be greater since Bowers doesn't play every down and even if he is in, sometimes he is just running a route with not much to do other than a block attempt, if that.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:11 am to
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It might be lack of need based on scheme/opponent.

My guess is a lot of this because Kirby seems to be creating schemes based on each opponent separately.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:25 am to
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Tua didn't move and cut the way Brock does. No way he plays until January 1.

?

Rewatch the 2017 NCG.
Posted by CBBDawg316
North Carolina
Member since Sep 2019
249 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:53 am to
That wasn’t the year he got hurt and when he came back he was a statue.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:56 am to
The injury was 2019.

My reply was to the idea that Tua doesn't need his ankle more than Bowers.

I couldn't disagree more.
2017 mobility and 2019 lack of mobility as supporting proofs.
This post was edited on 10/20/23 at 11:56 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 12:02 pm to
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My reply was to the idea that Tua doesn't need his ankle more than Bowers.



there's a pretty massive difference between a regular sized QB who drops back and throws the ball compared to a large TE who has to block other 250 pounders as well as catch adn run before being dragged to the ground.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 2:28 pm to
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compared to a large TE who has to block other 250 pounders

It has been repeated that blocking is easier on the feet/ankles than skill positions. I'm not sure why you bring this up with regards to the injury.
quote:

catch adn run before being dragged to the ground.

Who has the ball every snap and what is the defense trying to do to that guy with about 4 to 6 defenders every play?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:33 pm to
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t has been repeated that blocking is easier on the feet/ankles than skill positions. I'm not sure why you bring this up with regards to the injury.


because common sense dictates that lockign up and grappling with a 250 pounder is harder on the body than standing in shotgun and throwing a ball

quote:

Who has the ball every snap and what is the defense trying to do to that guy with about 4 to 6 defenders every play?


it's like you intentionally glossed over the important part in your very own post. A QB in shotgun could go literally AN ENTIRE GAME without being sacked or roughed up. Half the time they're handing the ball to someone else anyway. With Brock he's either going ot be locked up blocking someone or running a route. The route may not go to him which would be a relief on his ankle. If he does catch the ball, unless he scores or runs out of bounds there is a 100% chance that he WILL be tackled. Every single play he's on the field, he'll either be engaged with someone or running. There are no other things he could be doing on the field. A QB may not need to move quickly more than a couple steps at a time.

Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:38 pm to
Im thinking 5-6 weeks for him to make a difference on the field.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25597 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

. A QB in shotgun could go literally AN ENTIRE GAME without being sacked or roughed up.


You are right.
A mobile QB could elude the pass rush.
That is why the QB relies so heavily on his feet and ankles.
quote:

If he does catch the ball, unless he scores or runs out of bounds there is a 100% chance that he WILL be tackled.

So he doesn't get tackled if he's blocking, or running a route, or goes out of bounds, or gets in the end zone? And when he is tackled to the ground, how many times is there stress on the ankle?

Every time a QB throws the football, he stresses the ankle. QB is a precision skill (like a lot of things in baseball). Injuries affect repetition and precision. Tua's first game back from his tightrope was about 52% completion percentage. Tight ends don't catch balls when they aren't accurate from the QB.
Posted by Dirk Dawgler
Where I Am
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/20/23 at 4:46 pm to
I am thinking he will be ready by GT but won’t play until the SECCG if we make it there. He won’t play in any of the next 4 games that determine whether or not we get there.

I am hoping that his assured absence during at least 3 of those game sparks/forces this offense to level up. I wouldn’t want any other coach in college football over Kirby to try to turn this into a blessing instead of a curse.
Posted by gothamdawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
958 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

I am hoping that his assured absence during at least 3 of those game sparks/forces this offense to level up. I wouldn’t want any other coach in college football over Kirby to try to turn this into a blessing instead of a curse.



Same here.
And if the rest of the team can't step up in his absence, which I believe they will, then we don't deserve to go to the SECCG.
Posted by Rex Feral
Athens
Member since Jan 2014
11318 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 8:21 pm to
quote:

Rewatch the 2017 NCG


I’m not in the mood to cry
This post was edited on 10/21/23 at 7:16 am
Posted by DawgsCallingShots
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2021
280 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 9:06 pm to
Brock is basically done for the rest of the season. He will not be coming back 100%z he will be 70% at best, and that’s not the Brock that stretches the field as a mismatch. Sadly he will just be another “ “ out there.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
8432 posts
Posted on 10/20/23 at 11:18 pm to
Totally disagree

Even if it’s 6 week recovery that is before the SECG

Assuming we make the playoff then add 4 more weeks

Easily back to 100% by then
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6945 posts
Posted on 10/22/23 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

quote:
Rewatch the 2017 NCG


I’m not in the mood to cry


I still get nervous watching the Oklahoma game.
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