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re: I don’t feel good about the Bama game

Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:05 am to
Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15870 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:05 am to
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I just hope the give Gurley Girl a headset so she can call plays for us.


We'll need pics for verification purposes.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
19887 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 11:30 am to
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We'll need pics for verification purposes


Didn't this one turn out to be a guy?
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:26 pm to
I read the posts like its coming from a nice enough middle aged woman who means well and is passionate, but doesn’t know much about the actual game. Which is fine.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4539 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:08 pm to
The internet, like every other form of mass communication, is excessively used as a propaganda tool. If there's money or power at stake, paid propaganda is being used to shape opinion. That includes message boards, youtube, twitter, facebook, instagram, television, radio, etc. The techniques of the propagandists are always similar; "I'm an objective observer, one of the good guys, and I see problems with what [name here] is doing or saying." Repeat ad infinitum and eventually rational people will begin to believe it. This kind of propaganda has been used with great success over centuries.

So here's my theory on criticism of the head coach. If you like your coach, take the bad with the good and avoid joining the ever-present chorus of negative propaganda from people who want your team to fail. If you want him to lose the confidence of recruits, or be fired, or to just get tired of it and walk away, join in the fray of constant criticism, lots of it coming from people who are not Georgia fans. You'll have plenty of company finding fault with every conceivable move he makes. If we lose two games in 3 seasons, that must mean the coach screwed up badly, because if he hadn't we would never lose a game. If our players get too many reckless driving citations, he's not a disciplinarian and the culture is bad. Etc.

Same for players. If you want to discourage the quarterback, for example, call them out for every perceived misstep, repeatedly until they feel completely unwanted. Ask Stetson Bennett how that felt, as he worked his way through two championship seasons. He showed his regard for our fan base in the championship parade. Can't say I blame him, but I don't think the non-stop criticism he read on the internet represented the opinion of rank and file UGA fans.

I see this starting to play out again, three weeks into the season the boo birds are circling. Carson's a game manager, Bobo sucks, Searles sucks, we're gonna lose more games because Kirby's game plan sucks. This message board is the least of it, the message is on every UGA forum and it's being amplified by rival teams and their media.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 2:19 pm
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89423 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:26 pm to
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"I'm an objective observer, one of the good guys, and I see problems with what [name here] is doing or saying." Repeat ad infinitum and eventually rational people will begin to believe it. This kind of propaganda has been used with great success over centuries.



Coaches are human beings and thus not infallible. Just because kirby is the best we've ever had and is likely the best in america at present doesn't mean he's not without fault.

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If you like your coach, take the bad with the good and avoid joining the ever-present chorus of negative propaganda from people who want your team to fail.


this is a message board. A place for UGA fans across the globe to talk about the team we love. Pointing out some negatives that continue to present themselves is simply the nature of it. Prior to the internet the exact same thing would happen at tailgates or on phone calls. Critiquing coaching moves is an activity as old as time

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If we lose two games in 3 seasons, that must mean the coach screwed up badly,


who said that?

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If you want to discourage the quarterback, for example, call them out for every perceived misstep, repeatedly until they feel completely unwanted


I don't do that, HOWEVER....I do think it's worth noting that in today's version of the game when the most vocal people shouted from the rooftops that players should get paid, they are no long amateur student collegiate athletes. They are professionals. They make more in a year than I'll make in a decade. If they want to be professionals they should get everythign that comes with that, including hyper scrutiny and yes, even shite being talked about them.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4539 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 4:15 pm to
Sorry, my message wasn't about your criticism in particular, just the general nature of how this works now. I agree that second guessing the coach has always happened, but the anonymity of the internet allows propaganda to augment and encourage that criticism. With the aid of that propaganda, criticism on the internet becomes much more guided and deleterious than face to face conversations between fans.

I do have an opinion about the value of third party assessments of any complex undertaking, including fans critiquing the coaching of a football game. The vast majority of those opinions are only correct when by accident. That's because I think it's nearly impossible for even well informed fans to accurately assess the decisions of a coach. They don't have an equal understanding of the game of football, the team's abilities/health/preparation, or the opponent. Sure they can see when the team loses, but that doesn't mean they understand the initial gameplan or why it failed. They can recognize a bad coach, but only because the opposing coaches are frequently better at their job, not because the fans are better.

What fan critics are doing is the equivalent of having a beer on Saturday afternoons while watching rocket launches, and then telling the rocket scientists where they went wrong when one crashes. Or watching brain surgery as a hobby, and then critiquing the neurosurgeon when the surgery has a bad outcome. The observers have a very superficial understanding of the problem at hand, very little information about the specific gameplan, or how each individual part performed its designed function, or what adverse conditions may have contributed to the failure. I agree, we all do it from time to time, and it's generally self-delusion because we don't know what we don't know.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 4:43 pm
Posted by P-Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
2004 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 4:30 pm to
I just think people get a thrill out of overreacting. I dislike playing down to the level of competition, but I'll be happy until we lose.
Posted by Griffindawg
Member since Oct 2013
7910 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 5:28 pm to
Idk if it’s the Monday beers or what but I just started feelin really good about this one.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
18963 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 6:44 pm to
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see this starting to play out again, three weeks into the season the boo birds are circling. Carson's a game manager, Bobo sucks, Searles sucks, we're gonna lose more games because Kirby's game plan sucks.


For the record, I didn’t say any of this. Just that I didn’t feel good about this game and then listed why.
Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
16517 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 6:53 pm to
Kirby has some built up anger to unleash on Bama. It all makes sense the conservative nature in which we’ve played the 1st 3 games. Bama may be fricked and we don’t know it yet.
Posted by Rules
Warm. Year round.
Member since Sep 2012
4353 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:08 pm to
I gotta tell you, I'm not the least bit worried.
Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
16517 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:27 pm to
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I gotta tell you, I'm not the least bit worried.

Hell… you’re numb to it by now. Hope all is well
Posted by Rules
Warm. Year round.
Member since Sep 2012
4353 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:32 pm to
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Hell… you’re numb to it by now. Hope all is well


Lol, all is going really well. I do miss my conversations with your old man.
Posted by Kneehigh
Low Country
Member since Nov 2012
16517 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 7:48 pm to
Glad to hear. I miss him too and often wonder what he would say reading some of this shite lol. He loved Kirby btw. Never really heard him complain with the only exception 2017 2&26 BS.
This post was edited on 9/23/24 at 7:49 pm
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:52 pm to
Welp, might as well not play on Saturday.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:47 am to
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we don't have the quality depth that we once did.

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:50 am to
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predict another 20-17 type loss this Saturday.

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:52 am to
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With the weather being what it is supposed to be, this one might turn into a running game.

The weather is supposed to be good Saturday.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
74817 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 6:56 am to
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I do miss my conversations with your old man.

Ditto with Peyton from Get the Picture. I found myself really missing the Senator's commentary after each week's games. I loved his Observations from the Armchair recaps, & the S&P+ analysis each week.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
4539 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:40 am to
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For the record, I didn’t say any of this. Just that I didn’t feel good about this game and then listed why.


I know. You may have noticed that my posts tend to be rambling narratives and not necessarily directed at anyone in particular. If nothing else, writing is a good mental exercise as I get older.
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