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re: Heroes, Red Arrows, 'n Gimps. . .

Posted on 1/28/17 at 8:25 pm to
Posted by Dawgman77
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 8:25 pm to
No, I've never been. It's on my bucket list.
Posted by Dawgman77
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 8:32 pm to
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Chancellorsville is the best though. I'm not sure how it works when you get to Heaven, but if God let's you use the remote control to go back and view historical events as they happened.....I definitely will want to watch that campfire meeting where Lee and Jackson scratched that one in the dirt.


It's on my list also.

Me and the wife took our kids to Washington and stopped by Appomattox on the way. We stood and listened to a young man dressed as a Confederate soldier describe the events of the day of surrender and point to the direction Lee rode in from and Grant ordering the troops to stand down. Made chills run up my spine. Still does just typing this.

Posted by DoubleDawg22
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 1/28/17 at 10:53 pm to
You could really blame NASCAR for the softness of the drivers as well as aero dependency. Any damage anywhere other than short tracks will result in a loss of speed.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18575 posts
Posted on 1/28/17 at 11:14 pm to
I don't believe in "heroes."

But there are historical figures I have loved(if that makes sense).

There are many, many.

But among them:

George Marshall.

George Washington

Two of my under-appreciated Americans
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29701 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 5:35 am to
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1) Paw-paw (my maternal grand father)
2) Thomas Johnathon "Stonewall" Jackson
*3) Dale Earnhardt senior
*3) Trump

*tied
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 10:35 am to
My definition of a hero is someone who gave up their lives/personal safety to save/defend others, or further a cause. If you believe in the Bible, Jesus Christ has to come first. Others of note, in no order, would be George Washington, Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Che Guevara, Abraham Lincoln, and Gen. Robert E. Lee. Schindler should also be included somewhere on the list, no pun.
Posted by FaCubeItches
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Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 5:42 pm to
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My definition of a hero is someone who gave up their lives/personal safety to save/defend others, or further a cause.

"Nelson Mandela, Che Guevara"


Que? Mandela was an unrepentant terrorist (would have been freed many years earlier had he simply renounced violence - but didn't), and Guevara was simply a murderer. If merely furthering a cause is sufficient, your list is very short on 20th Century totalitarians.
Posted by Tropic Lightning
South Florida
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 6:20 pm to
In no order

- Mercury 7 Astronauts
- Patrick Henry
- Colonel Robert "Bad Bob" Howard
- Thomas J. Jackson ( surprised he means so much to so many )
- Davey Allison
- John Adams
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 6:47 pm to
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Que? Mandela was an unrepentant terrorist (would have been freed many years earlier had he simply renounced violence - but didn't), and Guevara was simply a murderer. If merely furthering a cause is sufficient, your list is very short on 20th Century totalitarians.


One man's, or people's, terrorist is another's hero. To the British, George Washington was a traitor and a terrrorist. Many Northerners thought R.E. Lee was a terrorist. Southerners weren't too fond of Sherman. To the people in South Arfica who were suffering under Apartheid, and the impoverished and oppressed people of Latin America, Mandela and Guevara were great heroes.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 6:56 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:07 pm to
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I don't believe in "heroes."

I hope if some dude dies one day saving your kid from a burning building, that his widow doesnt ask you to speak at the funeral. A speech about how you are purer than the driven snow would be pretty awkward..
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:12 pm to
quote:

Mandela was an unrepentant terrorist (would have been freed many years earlier had he simply renounced violence - but didn't), and Guevara was simply a murderer. If merely furthering a cause is sufficient, your list is very short on 20th Century totalitarians

Yep. Im pretty sure that both Jesus Christ and Ghandi would be shocked and disgusted to be included with most on that list..
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:26 pm to
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One man's, or people's, terrorist is another's hero

Please give us your or their definition of the word "terrorist" then..

I really want to see the dishonest pathetic lengths someone would have to go through to label Washington or Lee as "terrorists". Or how they could say that sherman, guevera, or lincoln weren't.

This level of stupidity is scary, to be honest.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:38 pm to
If a thug piece of shite breaks in to someone's home, and the homeowner blows the thug's brains out......i'm sure that the thug's family and friends probably don't consider the homeowner a hero.

But the homeowner's family that was saved and the rest of sane society probably do consider him one.

Only one of these two groups is correct.
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14227 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 7:50 pm to
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Guevara were great heroes


He was a Marxist dictator and murderer. If you didn't adore him in Cuba you were killed....or he'd kill you himself if he thought you weren't loyal.

I guess Hitler is your hero as well because the German people loved him so much and he was a "revolutionary"?
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 1/29/17 at 9:45 pm to
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Please give us your or their definition of the word "terrorist" then..

I really want to see the dishonest pathetic lengths someone would have to go through to label Washington or Lee as "terrorists". Or how they could say that sherman, guevera, or lincoln weren't.

This level of stupidity is scary, to be honest.


What's really scary is that some people respond to posts without reading or understanding them.

I said that the British considered Washington a traitor and a terrorist. He rebelled against the king and introduced gorilla warfare. Ever read a history book? I said that R.E. Lee was considered a traitor by the North. Ever read Lee's history? He was an officer in the US Army before he became a general in the CSA. Think he was a hero to the north?

The level of stupidity or lack of reading comprehension by some of our fan base is embarrassing to me as a UGA grad.
This post was edited on 1/29/17 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 5:56 am to
Hey, dickbreath, go back and read the title of this thread. It's "heroes". Doesn't say "your heroes". Reading comprehension is taught very early in most schools. Did you attend?
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14227 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 6:25 am to
And yet somehow you're the only one that opines to the moral equivalence of dictators and terrorists with the unique insight that "one mans hero is another man's terrorist".

Thanks for enlightening the rest of us schlubs with your cool worldview.


Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 9:53 am to
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The level of stupidity or lack of reading comprehension by some of our fan base is embarrassing to me as a UGA grad.

You typed the word "terrorist" three times in your post, did you not? But then when asked for your definition of the word "terrorist.....you cowardly run away from those comments and try and downplay and hide from your idiotic "terrorist" comparison.

Basically, you doubled-down on the stupidity by adding some dishonesty. Instead of defending your actual post that is there for anyone to read. Congrats.

Also, Lee's country wasnt the United States or the Confederate States. His country was Virginia. That never changed.so. Again. Please explain to us how Washington and Lee could be considered terrorists by anyone north, british, anyone. (And guerilla warfare doesnt make someone a terrorist mongoloid)

Posted by Cobb Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
9804 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:27 am to
This has to be the stupidest thread and argument in the history of the DR. You win. The North loved Lee. The British adored Washington and today there are many statues to his honor in London, as well as many streets named after him. Mandela is hated by blacks in South Africa, and never won The Nobel Peace Prize.

Google "famous heroes", moron. Some on the list won't be your personal heroes, but there are many other humans on the planet who don't live in Jefferson, GA. Travel around a bit and you'll discover a whole new world out there. Might even expand your mind a bit. Nah.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 1/30/17 at 10:29 am to
ter·ror·ism
'ter??riz?m/
noun
-the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Terrorists (by definition) on Cobb's hero list:
1) Lincoln
2) Mandela
3) Che Guevara

It doesnt matter what one side believes and what another believes. If you attack innocent civilians in pursuit of political aims, then you are a terrorist. This seems pretty clear and non-controversial to me.
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