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re: Hats off to Bowers

Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:43 am to
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13491 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 7:43 am to
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SBIV has three options - (1) floater to the TE; (2) deep ball with too much air on it, hope the receiver adjusts or a pass interference; (3) run. None of those benefit Burton


Have you talked yourself into this out of some sort of frustration or do you not watch the games much?
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
22025 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:13 am to
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We also need to seriously shorten our WR rotation. Should be riding with 7, 10, 1, and 84 from here on out with very limited exceptions.
And once a RB gets going, he needs to eat. Stop forcing RB's out of the game... I know we don't have a Chubb/Swift/Gurley caliber RB but it's clear when one of them has "it" in a game or drive...
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
14160 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 10:20 am to
I think we can be spread and still run i formation power and playaction.

Our running game suffers from scheme once talent is equalized.
Posted by dawg-fan#1
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2012
1565 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 3:18 pm to
Just named SEC Freshman of the year (AP)
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
5287 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 5:19 pm to
He didn’t play perfect. He dropped a TD that was a perfect throw. He also , arguably, made the mistake in the first int.
Posted by Chainsaw Massaquoi
Chattanooga
Member since Jun 2010
658 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 6:04 pm to
Saying he “dropped a TD” is a bit misleading. He actually made a hell of a play highpointing the ball and bringing it in while being double covered. The bama player just made an awesome play.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70651 posts
Posted on 12/8/21 at 8:16 pm to
Let me take you down
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Nothing is real
And nothing to get hung about
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:49 am to
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He also , arguably, made the mistake in the first int.


Im surprised that it hasnt been said more that he did the right thing on the INT.

Receivers are coached to find windows against zone coverage. Not to run to defenders to make the defense's job easier.

That also goes to the QB throwing the ball in spots to protect the receiver from getting blown up by a zone defender.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 6:55 am to
In perfect scenarios yes, but that was a scramble drill and the WR/TE should be running to the side of the field where the QB is scrambling. Bowers was doing that but then just stopped.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 7:44 am to
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perfect scenarios yes, but that was a scramble drill and the WR/TE should be running to the side of the field where the QB is scrambling. Bowers was doing that but then just stopped.

Lol.

First, learn the difference between a rollout and scramble drill.

Second, no. Receivers are not coached to run routes against zone coverage at a defender.

If it was man coverage chasing Bowers, i get not stopping the route. But it wasnt.
You can call it tough luck for Bennett. But Bowers actually attempted to do the right thing.
It is disengenous to everything coached into bowers to put any blame on him for the route.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 8:58 am to
For some reason I thought it was a scramble, but you're right it was a designed play. I still don't think the play would be designed to have a route stop and have the rolling QB throw against his body back towards middle of the field, regardless of coverage. Normal drop back sure you sit down in open space, but when QB is rolling that way I would bet the route is supposed to continue to sideline.

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 9:31 am to
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I still don't think the play would be designed to have a route stop

Coverage dictates the route. Monken is basically running an option offense in the passing game.
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have the rolling QB throw against his body back towards middle of the field

Qb was done with his bootleg. Feet were to be set. But he had a linebacker coming at him in his face (bennet's biggest liability is with defenders in his face). Stetson was actually working back to his left when he threw the ball (maybe a reason why the throw could have been off target as it is difficult for a right hander to move left and throw straight).
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I would bet the route is supposed to continue to sideline.

You would bet, huh?

Be you.

Lots of little things effected the play. It was tough luck for stetson. But i would bet against you and call out anyone putting the pick on bowers.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 9:53 am to
do you know for sure it was an option route or are you just assuming?

The pressure forced him to stop his rollout, how do you know the play was designed to have his feet set?

Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 5:10 pm to
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do you know for sure it was an option route or are you just assuming

"Option route" means that there are rules. It isnt run and shoot. But the rules for the receiver change based upon the coverage. It is very difficult for the receiver and qb to be on the same page because of this (which is why we struggle to put together long drives).
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The pressure forced him to stop his rollout, how do you know the play was designed to have his feet set?


It has been a bit since i saw the play. But it looked like bennet was bootlegging to a spot with his momentum coming forward (it helps him get more on the throw). The pressure forced him to his left (which is very difficult for a right handed qb).
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/9/21 at 5:59 pm to
So you don't know for sure on either point and are just giving your opinion, correct?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:04 am to
I am positive that there are rules against coverages.
I am positive that it was zone coverage over bowers and on the right side of the field.

It was not a run and shoot option route. But route rules apply. I am positive. I am sure.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
26005 posts
Posted on 12/10/21 at 7:06 am to
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your opinion

You know that there are rules for receivers and QBs on routes against specific coverages.

You have heard of this? Yes?

Im not popping your cherry on this one?
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19 &lt-- oops
Member since Sep 2012
26844 posts
Posted on 12/10/21 at 9:32 am to
So do you think every route we run is an option route?
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