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re: ESPN Top 25 discussion tonight
Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:17 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:17 pm to djsdawg
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Since the poster was talking about deserving, that's what I was talking about. I have no doubt we will be left out if we lose on a Hail Mary vs what might be the best Bama of the saban era.
Sure. I did not read the thread for context, so wasn't trying to imply one way or the other... was just throwing my 2 cents on how much "deserving" will mean.
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Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:22 pm to JCdawg
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Exactly.
Strength of schedule can be thrown out when comparing two teams that have played.
SOS is only calculated when comparing two teams that haven't played.
Except the committee *literally* proved that this is not the case last season.
Ohio State in, Penn State out... even though they won head to head, and won the conference championship.
They will look at everything in totality... there is a high probability that we get effed if we lose the conference championship, regardless of how special we are in the regular season. It doesn't mean it's a definite, but the people who are convincing themselves that if we go 12-0, that we're "in" somehow as long as we have a good showing in Atlanta are kidding themselves... there is a lot that would need to go right for that to even have a good chance of happening...
ETA: I recognize that Penn St had an extra loss and the triangle win/loss of tOSU > Michigan > Penn St > tOSU... but at the end of the day, they took the one that had lost head to head to the conference champion... what is "logical" may not always rule the day (and in fact is unlikely to do so).
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 8:37 pm to fibonaccisquared
Baylor was ahead of TCU in the final rankings in 15, because of the head to head. I really do think it matters if each team as the same number of losses.
Especially since we won @ ND.
Especially since we won @ ND.
This post was edited on 10/25/17 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:15 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Baylor was ahead of TCU in the final rankings in 15, because of the head to head. I really do think it matters if each team as the same number of losses.
Especially since we won @ ND.
Final rankings in the CFP outside of the top 4 really don't matter. If you're talking about the AP, that also has no impact on the CFP. I'm not saying they absolutely *won't* have us above them, but if you think it's some kind of done deal, you're kidding yourself. They'll play games against how many perceived good and/or ranked opponents before the year is over? We play in the east. Our quality wins at the moment are... ND... and... Miss St? We still have Auburn on the schedule so that helps, but otherwise, the perception is that our schedule is not difficult, regardless of whether that is true or not.
If we lose in the SECCG, and I've posted this over and over... unless there is an arguable case to be made for either a) Bama not being #1 overall or b) us somehow still remaining in the 2 or 3 spot, we *will* get passed by someone. They're not going to rematch us in round 1 of the CFP... it would be a ratings debacle for them. If it happened after the first round, so be it... both teams would have had to make it through another perceived "good team" first.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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It could be a pretty hostile environment for ND fans in Athens in 2019 if that were to happen.
That would be a very bad look for us - they were amazing to us at the stadium and in the tailgates
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:54 pm to fibonaccisquared
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If you're talking about the AP, that also has no impact on the CFP
It was the CFP Rankings, but Baylor was 5 and TCU was 6. They were really fortunate OSU beat down Wisconsin so they didn’t have to make a difficult decision.
If we lose to Bama handily, I don’t think we’d deserve to get in regardless.
Posted on 10/25/17 at 9:59 pm to dcbl
And generous enough to give us all their tickets 
Posted on 10/25/17 at 10:05 pm to djsdawg
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12-1 uga with a close loss to Bama deserves to be in.
Very true. But that same UGA team will be bypassed by a 1 loss ND team that we beat. All the Catholics must be appeased.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 12:03 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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ND has a huge fan base
in years past, that was very true. but I don't think they have nearly the mass numbers they once did due to teams' expansion, televised coverage, regional loyalties...it's a different time.
The problem is those in the mainstream media ARE huge fans. And they have money and clout.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 7:12 pm to ladyluckUGA
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have nearly the mass numbers they once did due to teams' expansion, televised coverage, regional loyalties...it's a different time.
They're still the #1 college team in NYC,Boston and Chicago.They just haven't been the powerhouse they once were in the 60's and 70's and NFL is a much bigger deal in those places
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the mainstream media ARE huge fans. And they have money and clout.
Disagree,they don't have nearly the clout or fan base they use to have in the national media
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:51 am to tybeebomb
I think we'll have to win out to get in the playoffs Even if we lose a close game to bama I don't think they'd take us. They'd take a one loss big 10 team or ND who we beat over us with one loss
Posted on 10/27/17 at 9:47 pm to tybeebomb
The only rankings that matter are the final ones. If we lose a close game to Bama we aren't missing the playoffs. They are held in such regard for a reason, teams get credit for playing them close and LOSING. They're the only team to make the Playoff every year. If we lose a close game to them theres no way we are left out, and no way a team we beat jumps us.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:01 pm to godawgs27
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ND who we beat over us with one loss
The committee is far from flawless, but no rational person would penalize an SEC team that went undefeated during the regular season and lost a close game to Bama, the team that is in the middle of one of the greatest runs in CFB history.
Ohio State got in the playoff last season, despite not having a conference championship, because no other team outside the top 4 had less than 2 losses. Their final regular season game with #3 Michigan was a de facto Quarterfinal Playoff game. Notre Dame's final regular season game will be against a most likely unranked Stanford team and they will then WATCH the rest of the conferences duke it out the following week in the championship games.
There is NO WAY they penalize UGA enough to leave the top 4 with a close loss to the best team in college football the FINAL week of the rankings.
Posted on 10/27/17 at 10:01 pm to TheJimBrown7
I wish this would occur but its doubtful.
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