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re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:00 pm to
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Sorry man, I cant agree. I think you are just spinning things at this point because you just love the guy and thats okay.
While I personally like Fromm more than Eason I honestly don't care who starts as long as the best of the two does. I think people are being irrational on both sides of the argument which is why I've been trying to keep my statements around facts rather than my personal opinion and then call out my opinions when I have them.

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The presnap reads are a joke.. he is throwing to his primary and reading absolutely nothing.
Careful with the generalizations. Just because he makes a lot of throws to his primary target doesn't mean he doesn't know how or he doesn't go through his progressions when his primary isn't open. The "reads" I was talking about were pre-snap. He's looking at the defensive formations to help him determine where he needs to go with the ball, or that's what it looks like to me. That goes back to my comment about him being really lucky, our receivers getting much better since last year, or Fromm has been successful in knowing where to go with the ball based on what he sees at the line.

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The article where Hardeman quoted him saying in the huddle he was throwing to him was a clear indication of this.
I don't think that's a great indication of a generalization. I think it's a single data point. That's pretty common, actually, depending on the play call and the game-time situation.

Last week I saw a short video of Greene and Hayes recounting the hobnail boot play. CMR told Greene what the play was and to look for a specific formation from the defense. If he saw it, Hayes would be wide open in the middle for the TD. If he didn't see it, throw it away. So yeah, it happens that some plays will be set up for a single receiver and if he's not open, the QB should throw it away.

This was the case with the flea flicker against Miss. State. There wound up being three open receivers (two TEs and the FB) but Nauta is the primary receiver on the play and he was wide open so he got the ball.

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His throw to Nauta in the Tenn game is another. Nauta fell out early in the route. If the play goes to X he's throwing it there. If it goes to Y, he's throwing it there.
Wrong. Watch it again. Nauta doesn't stumble until the ball is leaving Fromm's hand. It was a quick play and while it does look like Nauta was the intended receiver before the ball was snapped, it happened so fast that Fromm didn't have the opportunity to see Nauta fall down and look for a different receiver. If Nauta stays on his feet, this would probably not even be a play that we'd be discussing.

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Your timing numbers support this beyond all. He cant drop back in the pocket and make 2 or 3 reads in an avererage of 1.5 seconds on the regular dude. I'm sorry, he isn't reading a got-dam thing bro. His primary targets have just been super wide open a lot because we run the ball 70% of the time.
The reads I'm talking about are the pre-snap reads. I'm not talking about his progression, though he has done that at times. He appears to be looking at the defense and throwing to his primary receiver based on what he sees. Every play has a determined route for each receiver and the primary receiver is determined by the defensive formation and the matchups presented. I think the proof is in the pudding; his primary receivers have been mostly open and in a position to catch the ball to pick up yards. You don't have to go through a progression when your primary receiver is open.

There have been several plays where Fromm has checked down to the flats or progressed through different receivers on the longer developing plays. Whether his primary targets are open because they are good, defenses are bad, or the running game is helping out is irrelevant. If Fromm knows who he wants to go to by default and they are open 75% (or whatever it is) of the time, he's doing a good job of figuring out where he wants to go. I'd be concerned if he keyed in on one target every play who was never open yet got the ball anyway.
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:03 pm to
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How'd the run game look the first 2 series against app state?


So you are saying that first two series of the entire season are surely proof that we can't run the ball with Eason behind center and two later series vs TN don't count?

Your entire premise is idiotic and I at least provided proof even though it's so dumb that it really doesn't need anything to refute it.

This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33015 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:10 pm to
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using more traditional sets on offense while we had Eason in the game and switching mid drive to more shotgun/spread sets immediately upon inserting Fromm into the line up.


Turns out you made all of this up in your head

The 2 plays before Eason gets hurt involved a shotgun with 4 WR and a single back.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted by Croot
Member since Aug 2013
4143 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:12 pm to
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So you are saying that first two series of the entire season are surely proof that we can't run the ball with Eason behind center and two later series vs TN don't count?


The 1st two sure weren't during trash time. The O went nowhere till Fromm got in there. Opposing DCs love the idea of EE playing, I assure you.
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:13 pm to
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Opposing DCs love the idea of EE playing, I assure you.


I assure you that you are pulling this out of your arse
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted by Croot
Member since Aug 2013
4143 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:22 pm to
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I assure you that you are pulling this out of your arse


I've been called a smart arse so...

And that's a smart arse that hates stacked boxes, to you, gamatt3&out.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:23 pm
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22851 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:22 pm to
0% Eason starts a game until we lose a game Fromm starts. You don't frick with a good thing. I understand the theory that against Au or Bama we made need our QB to do more, but that just isn't the kind of team we are this year. And if it happens we will see if Fromm can do it. I stand by my theory Eason is gone and Fields is in.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 4:24 pm
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:25 pm to
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that hates stacked boxes


The box is still being stacked dumbass. No one is scared of our passing game right now we are last in the league
Posted by Croot
Member since Aug 2013
4143 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:37 pm to
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Eason will start vs Vandy?
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that hates stacked boxes


The box is still being stacked dumbass. No one is scared of our passing game right now we are last in the league


No it's not, dumbmatt.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6947 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:55 pm to
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The box is still being stacked dumbass. No one is scared of our passing game right now we are last in the league


Georgia is 7th in yards per pass attempt. Fromm is 5th. Fromm is 5th in TD passes. Fromm is 3rd in QB Rating. Georgia is last only in passing yards per game.
The box is stacked only because teams this year know our run game will beat them if they don't stop it. But this year our passing game beats them too.
Our run game is 5th in yards per carry, 4th in TDs, and 4th in yards per game.
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 4:59 pm to
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The box is stacked only because teams this year know our run game will beat them if they don't stop it.


Thank you glad you agree. Duno why croot is too dumb to see it

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But this year our passing game beats them too.


It didn't last year too? It was the only thing that saved us in multiple games
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:01 pm
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58920 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:08 pm to
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0% Eason starts a game until we lose a game Fromm starts.


Not sure i would say that, but you probably aren't too far off.

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I stand by my theory Eason is gone and Fields is in.

I do tend to agree with this.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33015 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:14 pm to
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didn't last year too? It was the only thing that saved us in multiple games


The difference is when the passing is working. Last year it was often late in games besides uf and gtu.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33015 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:18 pm to
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Fromm is 5th.


As gatsby says, "the worst".0
Posted by Croot
Member since Aug 2013
4143 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:25 pm to
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The box is stacked only because teams this year know our run game will beat them if they don't stop it.


Thank you glad you agree. Duno why croot is too dumb to see it

we can hurt them with the pass this year, Mattyicebrains
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:33 pm
Posted by gamatt53
Member since Nov 2010
4934 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:37 pm to
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we can hurt them with the pass this year


Yea that 4% higher completion percentage than last year has really been the huge difference . Totally not our vastly improved run blocking and defense that has gotten us to be 5-0

Glad to see you came around on the run game/box being stacked tho
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 5:59 pm to
Chernoff made an excellent point today.

Fromm hasn't been asked to do near as much as what Eason was tasked with in the first 5 games last season.

All of the data he used is probably all contained in this thread but the way he explained it made alot more sense.

All the more reason the whispers in the wind are saying Eason gets the start vs Vandy.
Posted by Litigator
Hog Jaw, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2013
7536 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:03 pm to
That’s not going to happen.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64098 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:15 pm to
Duck Blind bet?
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41712 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 6:16 pm to
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Fromm hasn't been asked to do near as much as what Eason was tasked with in the first 5 games last season.
I agree with that. Eason was asked to do way more with his supporting cast (or lack thereof) and that was pretty unfair on him with the messiah expectations so many fans had. But that was last year.

We don't need a messiah at QB this year. We need a field general who isn't afraid to make the throws that need to be made and protect the ball. We are much deeper with talent at RB than at WR so we should be running more than we are passing. If Eason can improve his pre-snap reads, get our offense in position, and hand the ball off or throw passes accurately to move us down the field, then great. That's all we've asked Fromm to do and he's been pretty darn successful at it. What we need is the most consistent QB to take the field every Saturday and we will continue to win games. I don't care if that's Eason, Fromm, or Ramsey ( ).
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