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re: Dean Legge nails UGA Basketball
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:42 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:42 am to Crowknowsbest
Nailed it.
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Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:48 am to WG_Dawg
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not at all, simply hiring the right coach would do wonders, and hell fox alreayd makes about $2M a year.
I think it's unlikely that UGA hires that kind of coach. Even if they do, he's gone in 2-3 years.
I am absolutely talking about a master plan. Fixing 100 years of a broken program takes serious vision, as Legge said. The program is bigger than any one coach UGA is going to hire. We're not hiring Coach K.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 11:56 am to Crowknowsbest
Bare minimum, take down the stupid mural with the gymnast. No offense to UGA's very accomplished gymnastics program, but it really says it all about how UGA views basketball that it dedicates a prominent portion of it's arena's decoration to a non-revenue sport.
Also, I think UGA fans should stop calling them "Hoop Dawgs." It sends a weird message. They're the Dawgs, just like the football team.
Also, I think UGA fans should stop calling them "Hoop Dawgs." It sends a weird message. They're the Dawgs, just like the football team.
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/27/17 at 12:49 pm to Crowknowsbest
Been saying it a lot the past few weeks but the best thing UGA and the city of Athens could do would be to split the costs of a new basketball arena in conjunction with the Classic Center. You give the Classic Center full reign over selling concessions and alcohol in exchange for a cut of those proceeds.
Instantly, you see attendance boost the first three seasons based on the economic principal that people will attend sporting events simply for the novelty of a facility without regard for the product on the field/court.
You get to offer premium seating options that Stegeman doesn't have and can't afford to build.
You also see a boost in attendance simply from the increased foot traffic of the new area, not to mention the appeal of crossing the street onto Washington or Clayton pre or postgame. Go to a UGA Hockey game some time and see what I mean; great way to spend a Thursday or Friday, watching live sports and going downtown.
The city gets a new concert venue during the offseason (they've been wanting an amphitheater in that area anyway) and Gymnastics, Women's Basketball, and Vooleyball get Stegeman to themselves
Instantly, you see attendance boost the first three seasons based on the economic principal that people will attend sporting events simply for the novelty of a facility without regard for the product on the field/court.
You get to offer premium seating options that Stegeman doesn't have and can't afford to build.
You also see a boost in attendance simply from the increased foot traffic of the new area, not to mention the appeal of crossing the street onto Washington or Clayton pre or postgame. Go to a UGA Hockey game some time and see what I mean; great way to spend a Thursday or Friday, watching live sports and going downtown.
The city gets a new concert venue during the offseason (they've been wanting an amphitheater in that area anyway) and Gymnastics, Women's Basketball, and Vooleyball get Stegeman to themselves
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:06 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Even if they do, he's gone in 2-3 years.
why does everyone keep saying this? Whatever hypothetical coach we're talking about here, if he's making between 2-3M a year, given a 5 year contract, has won a few tourney games and has the entire fanbase and admin behind him why woudl he leave unless it's to go to a blue blood?
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:08 pm to WG_Dawg
Would be another good reason to build a new arena; one less thing for a coach to bitch about
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:12 pm to WG_Dawg
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why does everyone keep saying this? Whatever hypothetical coach we're talking about here, if he's making between 2-3M a year, given a 5 year contract, has won a few tourney games and has the entire fanbase and admin behind him why woudl he leave unless it's to go to a blue blood?
Because a power would want to hire someone capable of doing that at Georgia.
ETA: See Smith, Tubby
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:22 pm to Crowknowsbest
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ETA: See Smith, Tubby
Yes, and I alrady said we'd lose anyone to Kentucky which I wouldn't complain about.
Who else? Why shoudl we lose a competent coach to usc, or iowa state, or baylor, or TCU, or some other good program?
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:23 pm to tylerdurden24
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Instantly, you see attendance boost the first three seasons based on the economic principal that people will attend sporting events simply for the novelty of a facility without regard for the product on the field/court.
This was what happened at UVA.
They had a rinky dink 9,000 seat relic from the 60s and were getting left behind as a program in the ACC. They stuggled to get attendance with the exception of Duke and UNC games.
Paul Tudor Jones decided that they were capable of more and put down $35M of his own money toward a new arena. It ended up costing around $150M total iirc. It's a 15,000 seat monster that manages to be a nice looking building that fits with the Jeffersonian architecture of the rest of campus.
All of a sudden, people showed up. They probably doubled their average basketball attendance. It was all of a sudden an appealing basketball program for coaches and players to be a part of. Enter Tony Bennett, and the lid blew off.
That venue also hosts a wide range of big concerts. Imagine something like that within the Athens scene. There's a lot of potential there.
UGA probably has no interest in paying for something as extreme as UVA did, but they don't have to. An attractive, 10-12,000 seat arena is attainable, and they could fill it.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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Why shoudl we lose a competent coach to usc, or iowa state, or baylor,
I personally wouldn't rather coach at those places, but an unbiased basketball coach very well might.
A coach that rejuvenates UGA is going to be an attractive candidate to programs more appealing than those.
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:48 pm to Crowknowsbest
Gorgeous.
For comparison, here is what Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Florida, and Tech have all built or renovated in the past 5-10 years:
Thomspon-Boling Arena - Renovated in 2007 (seats 21,678)
Colonial Life Arena - Opened in 2002 at a cost of approx $86.6 million (adjusted for inflation) (Seats 18,000)
The Pavilion - built new for $96.5 million (Seats 9,500)
O'Connell Center - Renovated in 2016 for $64.5 million (Seats 10,151)
McCamish Pavilion - Renovated in 2011-2012 for $45 million (Seats 8,500)
Annnnnnd then there's Stegeman (holds 10,523, last renovation was $13 million of exterior facelifts)
For comparison, here is what Tennessee, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Florida, and Tech have all built or renovated in the past 5-10 years:
Thomspon-Boling Arena - Renovated in 2007 (seats 21,678)
Colonial Life Arena - Opened in 2002 at a cost of approx $86.6 million (adjusted for inflation) (Seats 18,000)
The Pavilion - built new for $96.5 million (Seats 9,500)
O'Connell Center - Renovated in 2016 for $64.5 million (Seats 10,151)
McCamish Pavilion - Renovated in 2011-2012 for $45 million (Seats 8,500)
Annnnnnd then there's Stegeman (holds 10,523, last renovation was $13 million of exterior facelifts)
This post was edited on 1/27/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:56 pm to tylerdurden24
Almost makes me wonder if they couldn't just sink the Stegeman court about 12 or so feet, bring the upper level in some, and put some box seats around the perimeter. Makes for a steeper (and, therefore, louder) seating area and adds premium seating
Posted on 1/27/17 at 1:58 pm to WG_Dawg
Here is my question to play devils advocate.
Lets say we do fire Fox. Is the administration going to go the way of Auburn(Pearl), Tennessee(Barnes, Mississippi State(Howland), Missouri(Mike Anderson), and South Carolina(Martin) and hire a big name, or are we going to follow Florida(White), and Vanderbilt(Drew).
Kelvin Sampson is out there at Houston doing a very good job and probably would want another shot at the big time, and he's a damn good coach, but he has baggage. Jeff Capel is ready for another job after being with Duke the past few years. Chris Collins is doing an amazing job at Northwestern. Would he be ready to jump ship after they finally make the NCAA Tournament this year?
Then you have the smaller schools guys like Matt McCall, who is doing a great job in two years at Chattanooga. Will Wade has continued the success at VCU, and he was the head coach at Chatt before McCall. Kevin Keatts is a Pitino guy, and has led a huge turnaround at UNC Wilmington in just a couple of years.
No matter who you go with, its going to be a question mark.
Lets say we do fire Fox. Is the administration going to go the way of Auburn(Pearl), Tennessee(Barnes, Mississippi State(Howland), Missouri(Mike Anderson), and South Carolina(Martin) and hire a big name, or are we going to follow Florida(White), and Vanderbilt(Drew).
Kelvin Sampson is out there at Houston doing a very good job and probably would want another shot at the big time, and he's a damn good coach, but he has baggage. Jeff Capel is ready for another job after being with Duke the past few years. Chris Collins is doing an amazing job at Northwestern. Would he be ready to jump ship after they finally make the NCAA Tournament this year?
Then you have the smaller schools guys like Matt McCall, who is doing a great job in two years at Chattanooga. Will Wade has continued the success at VCU, and he was the head coach at Chatt before McCall. Kevin Keatts is a Pitino guy, and has led a huge turnaround at UNC Wilmington in just a couple of years.
No matter who you go with, its going to be a question mark.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 2:09 pm to tylerdurden24
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Almost makes me wonder if they couldn't just sink the Stegeman court about 12 or so feet, bring the upper level in some, and put some box seats around the perimeter. Makes for a steeper (and, therefore, louder) seating area and adds premium seating
This is just a guess, but I would imagine that making structural changes like that would be almost as expensive as just building a new one, especially since Stegeman is a relatively old building compared to other comparable arenas.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 2:42 pm to Crowknowsbest
I'm all on board with having a nicer newer place to play, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that should be priority #1. I think we should first focus on actually hiring someone who can win a tournament game, or at the very least getting there with regularity, before we undertake the MASSIVE project of either reconstructing or starting a new build.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 2:46 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'm all on board with having a nicer newer place to play, don't get me wrong. I just don't think that should be priority #1. I think we should first focus on actually hiring someone who can win a tournament game, or at the very least getting there with regularity, before we undertake the MASSIVE project of either reconstructing or starting a new build.
See, I think this has been UGA's strategy for awhile. "Let's win first, and then we'll invest in the program." Maybe we should try the other way.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 3:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
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I think this has been UGA's strategy for awhile. "Let's win first, and then we'll invest in the program."
well to be fair we haven't placed a high emphasis on winning in quite some time. If we truly focused on getting the right coach for basketball that'd be a start.
I know I'm almost contradicting myself here, but what if we do just ignore our awful coachign and focus on facilties and build a nice brand new place but we still continue to put out a crappy product? We're no better off basketball-wise, but now we just have a nicer place to suck in.
Idk, I get that it's a tough situation and this is a chicken/egg situation, but the bottom line is winning. Period. Duke has a crap arena but it doesn't matter bc they win. I think our #1 goal should be to win, which is direclty accomplished by getting better coaching. Let that ball start rolling then capitalize on it with facility improvements.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 3:15 pm to WG_Dawg
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what if we do just ignore our awful coachign and focus on facilties and build a nice brand new place
We wouldn't. You start the project and go after the absolute best coaching candidate you can find at the same time. That's an easy sell that immediately upgrades your potential candidate pool and makes the new hire more likely to stay awhile. If he doesn't work out for whatever reason, it's still a more attractive program than it is today for the next coach.
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We're no better off basketball-wise
Disagree, for the reasons stated above.
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Idk, I get that it's a tough situation and this is a chicken/egg situation, but the bottom line is winning.
That's what I'm after. I think my way is more likely to work. I don't think rolling the dice on coach after coach is likely to get us results any different than what we've seen for the past 50 years.
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Duke has a crap arena but it doesn't matter bc they win.
Cameron Indoor is the most iconic venue in the college game, which kind of overwhelms how out of date it is. Being cramped actually improves the environment.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 3:17 pm to WG_Dawg
Duke has a crap arena but it doesn't matter bc they win
But they win because they've always won and they've always won with the same guy. The facility doesn't matter for Duke; they could play in a high school gym and people would pay a premium just to get in the door
UGA has won on relatively rare occasions and with a variety of coaches. The facility matters because for modern college athletics and recruiting, facilities matter. We're not playing the same game as the blue bloods. We're playing alongside Florida, Tech, South Carolina, Tennessee, Clemson, and Virginia. And, right now, we're losing that game on two fronts: coaching and facilities. Quite frankly, you have to fix both, not just one then the other. And that's a MAJOR investment, I know. But, holy shite, UGA is literally handicapping itself by essentially letting one of a college athletic department's two main sources of income just float to the bottom of the sea while everyone else is trying to climb aboard the blue blood ship.
But they win because they've always won and they've always won with the same guy. The facility doesn't matter for Duke; they could play in a high school gym and people would pay a premium just to get in the door
UGA has won on relatively rare occasions and with a variety of coaches. The facility matters because for modern college athletics and recruiting, facilities matter. We're not playing the same game as the blue bloods. We're playing alongside Florida, Tech, South Carolina, Tennessee, Clemson, and Virginia. And, right now, we're losing that game on two fronts: coaching and facilities. Quite frankly, you have to fix both, not just one then the other. And that's a MAJOR investment, I know. But, holy shite, UGA is literally handicapping itself by essentially letting one of a college athletic department's two main sources of income just float to the bottom of the sea while everyone else is trying to climb aboard the blue blood ship.
Posted on 1/27/17 at 4:25 pm to tylerdurden24
Been saying the same thing about all UGA sports for years,
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