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Posted on 9/24/19 at 3:29 pm to Whiznot
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I think it's okay to criticize Landers and the decision to play him so much.
Seems our fan base is awfully quick to throw players under the bus and turn on them. Last two years he was a favorite with many on here wanting him to play. now that he is playing we are tearing him apart for playing like a mid to low 3*.
I just have to wonder what people expected out of a 3* recruit? If he plays well and over his rating....fine. If he plays at his rated level, then we got what we should have been expecting.
Strange everybody seems to be piling on Landers, but nothing is said about the coaches who keep throwing him out there.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:09 pm to DawgsLife
Expectations... Based on a few remarks from Smart, people had high hopes for the big 6'4"+ receiver who was getting great praise as a freshman on the scout team. And he's shown that he has the potential even... between expectations and flashes of potential, not many things are more frustrating for a fanbase on a player.
I don't think it's piling on, so much as recognizing that there was a reason he was scout team depth before and he's not adapting/adjusting or growing and developing the consistency needed to propel the offense forward.
That's hard to accept sometimes once people have heightened expectations (rightly or wrongly).
I don't think it's piling on, so much as recognizing that there was a reason he was scout team depth before and he's not adapting/adjusting or growing and developing the consistency needed to propel the offense forward.
That's hard to accept sometimes once people have heightened expectations (rightly or wrongly).
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:33 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Expectations... Based on a few remarks from Smart, people had high hopes for the big 6'4"+ receiver who was getting great praise as a freshman on the scout team. And he's shown that he has the potential even... between expectations and flashes of potential, not many things are more frustrating for a fanbase on a player.
Yeah. I get it. but some act like it is his fault those expectations are there. It's not like he came in saying he was highly underrated and would light everything up.
I guess I am a bit more sensitive to criticisms of players and coaches. If he were a 5*, I could see the point. But he is what his ratings say he is.
For better or worse, coaches tend to use a bit of hyperbole to give a kid some confidence and as a reward when he practices hard.
But....in answer to the OP's question?
He has an inability to produce because he is a low 3* recruit that is playing to his abilities. nothing to be disappointed about or shocked about.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:51 pm to DawgsLife
3 stars make contributions for high caliber teams every year.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 4:59 pm to td01241
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3 stars make contributions for high caliber teams every year.
Not typically. There are always exceptions, and I can name some. But if people are asking why Matt Landers is not performing as they expected? because they have inflated expectations.
There is a reason he was rated as a low 3*. Sure you can compare him to Deandre baker. But why don't you compare him to other players on our team that were rated similarly?
He was rated closer to Stetson Bennet than he was to Baker. Now, I love the way bennet has played, but I don't want him starting.
He was rated close to Eric Stokes. Stokes has done okay, but again, he isn't starting.
This is my point. He's a good piece, but shouldn't even be out on the field. If he is, then either the coaches see something, or the coaches are not doing their jobs. People seem shocked that Landers is not lighting it up.
Well, there is a reason for that. ETA
Put t in perspective.
Since 2017, three players we signed were rated lower.
(this does not include transfers)
Ahkil Crumpton
Stetson Bennett
Nathan Priestly
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:43 pm to DawgsLife
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He was rated close to Eric Stokes. Stokes has done okay, but again, he isn't starting.
He has started like 8 straight games dating back to last year.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 5:48 pm to DawgsLife
quote:I have to wonder why, at this point, his stars as a high school kid matter? He's on the field with the big boys. He should play like a big boy. His effort to go and get balls that aren't perfect is pretty poor. He doesn't even stretch out.
just have to wonder what people expected out of a 3* recruit?
The more disappointing thing to me is there isn't a better option than Landers.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 9/24/19 at 7:01 pm to SneakyWaff1es
That one big pass vs whatever cupcake we were playing and he wouldn't lay out for it, maybe the game didn't matter to him, but you know who it matters to is Cager, Pickens, Blaylock, so Landers sealed his deal as a backup. He's such a physical specimen too, it's disappointing. Hopefully he turns a corner and is the next AJ. But until that day, Matt who?
Posted on 9/24/19 at 7:38 pm to deeprig9
quote:There were two in that game. It was kind of sad.
That one big pass vs whatever cupcake we were playing
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:31 am to dawgdayafternoon
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He has started like 8 straight games dating back to last year.
My bad. but it still doesn't change that a typical low 3* doesn't/shouldn't produce like all the 4* and 5* receivers we have on the roster.
ETA
For some reason I get Stokes and Tyrique McGee confused.
Both have been 3* players that have contributed.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 6:52 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 6:42 am to SneakyWaff1es
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I have to wonder why, at this point, his stars as a high school kid matter?
Because it gives you a starting point to where he was in HS? Go back and check players that are rated as 5* and 4* and more of them will produce in college and go to the pros. there are always exceptions to the rule, though. But do you honestly expect 3* player coming in to produce more than a 5* or a 4*?
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He's on the field with the big boys.
Yes he is....and who puts him out there? If he is not good enough for you, then blame the coaches not the kid.
quote:As if stretching out is easy. Look, I played Wr. Trust me...it is not always easy to tell when you should stretch out and when it is useless. I can remember one time when our WR's have stretched out...that was Pickens this year. If you can find another time please post a link, cause i honestly do not remember it.
He doesn't even stretch out.
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The more disappointing thing to me is there isn't a better option than Landers.
Pickens
Blaylock
Simmons
Robertson
Cager
Kearis Jackson (When he gets healthy)
Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending Landers and saying he is better than any of the guys above. What I am saying is instead of criticizing the kid that is limited talent wise, criticize the coaches for putting him out there. All the kid is doing is running out onto the field like the coaches are telling him to do.
If all the "experts" on this board can see a lack of talent and effort, shouldn't the highly paid coaches?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:40 am to DawgsLife
Our best defensive player this year was a 79 3 star out of high schoo, that’s 6 points lower than Landers. For someone who is on the field as much as Landers is it isn’t crazy to expect some production from him regardless of his high school rating.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:42 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:25 am to td01241
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Our best defensive player this year was a 79 3 star out of high schoo, that’s 6 points lower than Landers.
And I can name you dozens of low 3*s that have either failed. CAN a 3* do well? Sure. But they will be the exception and not the rule. More often than not low 3* will not see the field often....especially at Georgia right now.
Okay. Are you not reading my posts? My issue isn't that he isn't producing. My issue is if he isn't producing why do the coaches keep putting him out there? We have plenty of talent at WR.
Either Landers is doing better than you all think, or the coaches need to be accountable. You are criticizing a player because the coaches keep putting him on the field while he is not producing?
BTW, who is this 3* .79 rated player you are talking about that is the best defensive player we have this year? I am really curious. This will tell me a lot about the way you think.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:29 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:31 am to DawgsLife
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gives you a starting poin
Right. And he started in Athens two years ago. I understand he isn't going to make circus catches but I guess those 2 extra stars are not just for talent? They also apply to effort?
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As if stretching out is easy
You can't extend your arm? I didn't say lay out, dive or any other shite like that. I said stretch. Maybe at least reach out. He's a receiver. His whole purpose is to catch a ball. You can't catch something you don't reach for.
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Pickens
Blaylock
Simmons
Robertson
Cager
Right...but you understand if Landers is on the field, there wasn't someone better they could put in that spot, right? You have a lot of long winded, politically correct, kumbaya posts...but you don't really say anything.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:39 am to SneakyWaff1es
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Right...but you understand if Landers is on the field, there wasn't someone better they could put in that spot, right?
because coaches never make a mistake? Your argument is
that Landers is really, really bad and we don't have anyone that is better?
I mean, what does Landers bring to the table that Cager does not? or Pickens, for that matter? Or Simmons?
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You have a lot of long winded, politically correct, kumbaya posts...but you don't really say anything.
Okay. Kumbaya?
Politically correct? You'll have to point me to a politically correct post...or a kumbaya post for that matter.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:43 am to SneakyWaff1es
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Right...but you understand if Landers is on the field, there wasn't someone better they could put in that spot, right? You have a lot of long winded, politically correct, kumbaya posts...but you don't really say anything.
If your argument is that Landers is better than the players I posted, then why is there a thread complaining about Landers and not about any of those other players?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:52 am to td01241
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You do realize you are the only one white knighting Landers, right?
I am not white knighting Landers! Have you not read any of my posts at all, or do you have a hard time comprehending?
Crap! I am saying if Landers is so bad then the coaches are not doing their job by putting him out there.
We apparently have 6-7 receivers who are better than him yet they keep playing Landers. the question is....why?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:53 am to td01241
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Reed
Ah! Yes, I do tend to side with reed as being our best, so far. But again...low 3* typically do not produce. We were very, very fortunate to spot him and get him.
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