re: Anyone else think Beck is going to get it together the rest of the season?

That makes no sense A game was lost because of a bad throw. One of many bad throws we all have witnessed. Ball placement is an issue.

I don't even know what the frick you just said. I watched the games. We all seen Beck lose a game on his back and preceeded to continue to get worse turning the ball over. Come on man.

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The game was not lost because of an interception.

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Correct. It was lost due to 5 turnovers: 3 interceptions, a lost fumble and a safety.

The wr was jammed so hard down the field that he cut off the route. Should have been defensive holding.

Here are some things to keep in mind when watching football.


A number of plays involve timing throws. The QB throws the ball before the player makes his final break, so the ball is there before the defense has time to react. If the receiver does not run the route correctly, there is no way for the QB to adjust as the ball is already gone. The novice will see this as a bad throw or a high throw, when in fact, the receiver did not do what they did in practice for hours and hours to establish said timing.

On certain routes, the QB and receiver have to adjust routes based on the defense. For instance, when running some crossing type routes, if the defense is in man, the receiver continues to run in the same direction and the QB leads accordingly. If the defense is in zone, the receiver runs to and then settles into a zone and the QB throws to the soft spot. The QB will throw the receiver open. The ball can appear to be behind the receiver, but in actuality, if the QB fully leads the receiver, it will be an interception or get the receiver killed. The novice will see this as an under thrown pass. In the film room, the coaches will tell the QB it was the correct read and in some cases, tell the receiver he leaked too far out of the soft spot.

A 9 route is when a receiver runs down the field typically on an outside release. A ball that is caught 40 yards down field is released by the QB when the receiver is say 25 yards down field. Give or take. Wind and QB depth and location affect this, but it is safe to say that you are throwing to a spot far down field where no one is at at the time of the throw. If you are about to get sacked in the end zone and you have a guy on a 9 route, it is not a bad option to chuck it 45 yards down field and get an incompletion. You make this throw, knowing the guy is on a 9 route. If the receiver stops at 25 yards, by choice or due to getting tangled up with a defender, it will look like a bad throw. Again, I can see how a novice would just see the throw and not understand everything else that goes on and form an uneducated opinion. Fact is, we don’t know if it was a 9 route. Maybe the QB thinks it was. Maybe the receiver forgot or loafed because it was a run off route from the play. Maybe the receiver was held and broke it off. Maybe it wasn’t a 9 route and the QB forgot. Hard to say.


I hope this clears stuff up for y’all so you can watch football smarter in the future.

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Correct. It was lost due to 5 turnovers: 3 interceptions, a lost fumble and a safety.

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Again…it’s not as simple as the turnovers.

No one was doing their job in the first half.

None of the turnovers were pick 6 or scoop and score.

Carson and the receivers royally sucked in the first half. No one is arguing that point.

However, the defense didn’t stop them or even force FG attempts, which would have kept the game closer.

I guess we will all forget that the entire team looked awful in the first half and just pin it on “Carson sucks”.

It seems most of the “Carson Sucks” crowd are also the ones who think Gunner is the answer. That alone is enough to render their opinions worthless.

Sorry sir, that was for the Braintrust, not you. Apologies

Our O looks off because Beck is scared to death of tipped balls over the middle. All the drops and wrong routes hurt his confidence.

Things we did not have to worry about with Bowers

Great teams catch the ball. I would take a segment of practice for the rest of the season on catching the ball.

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Things we did not have to worry about with Bowers

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And this is a key point.
Beck was able to throw to Bowers in tight windows knowing how powerful he is and could contend for the pass and prevent an INT even if he was unable to make the catch.
And with McConkie, he was just so quick that he could get wide open, make the catch and run so quickly after the catch that he was very reliable for first down yardage.
But those guys are gone and Beck needs to be more measured with less talented receivers. For instance, Beck and Arian Smith often don't seem in sync to the point where Beck should probably throw to him when sees that Smith is open and looking for the pass.
I think the truth is we need to recruit better receivers for next season but for this season all we can hope is that our current receiver room becomes more reliable in catching the ball.