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re: A new HC - what are our expectations?

Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:56 am to
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 10:56 am to
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Stealing this from DawgPost... quote:Alabama: 28-8 (77.8%) vs. SEC opponents w/ .500 or better conference record from 2008-‘15 LSU: 18-18 (50%) vs. SEC opponents w/ .500 or better conference record from 2008-‘15 Florida: 15-21 (41.7%) vs. SEC opponents w/ .500 conference record or better from 2008-‘15 Auburn: 16-25 (39%) vs. SEC opponents w/ .500 or better conference record from 2008-‘15 Georgia: 9-21 (30%) vs. SEC opponents w/ .500 or better conference record from 2008-'15


So, in short NOBODY but Alabama is winning consistently against SEC teams with .500 record or better. Not LSU (.500) not Auburn, not Florida....while true that Georgia is the worst of the ones mentioned, NONE of the ones ahead of us would make it to a NC with those results.


Being the worst is bad. Besides, Uf 2008, au 2010, lsu 2011, and au 2013 all made it to the title game after winning the sec with those results.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:01 am to
UGA should be better than those numbers.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:17 am to
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Being the worst is bad.


You are correct, sir. But we aren't the worst. We were virtually tied for 5th in the SEC.

I mean, if you are going to narrow it down to certain teams, then yes, we are the worst. However, if I narrow the SEC race down to Alabama and LSU, then LSU is the wrost team in the SEC. That's bad, right?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:22 am to
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Being the worst is bad.


You are correct, sir. But we aren't the worst. We were virtually tied for 5th in the SEC.

I mean, if you are going to narrow it down to certain teams, then yes, we are the worst. However, if I narrow the SEC race down to Alabama and LSU, then LSU is the wrost team in the SEC. That's bad, right?


Worst on that list of 5 best sec programs, which I bet is worse than where uga was under Donnan.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:27 am to
No, we excel at beating terrible teams, we're marginal at beating teams of comparable ability, and we fricking SUCK at beating teams better than us.

We haven't beaten a better team since Florida, 2012. Take a gander at the chart in this article and tell me how well we do with teams who are even or better.

*THAT* is the crux of the matter behind folks wanting CMR to walk.
Posted by tissle
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:35 am to
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*THAT* is the crux of the matter behind folks wanting CMR to walk.



Boom. There it is.

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Beat the crap teams and lose to anyone with a pulse. This is why I can't stand people praising MR's winning record. Not hard to have a winning record when you only have to beat the scrubs on your schedule
This post was edited on 11/10/15 at 11:37 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 11:46 am to
Nothing defines recent richt more than 2011.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:17 pm to
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We haven't beaten better teams since 2012


Huh?SC finished 5th and LSU finished 12th in 2013.
If not for one of the biggest flukes in the history of flukes we als beat AU.

Clemson was damn good last year as well.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 12:34 pm to
The mediocrity argument lives and dies with the very definition - Since CMR's last SEC title, Florida and Tennessee were up (2006-09), and UGA finished in the middle of the pack. 2010 saw the rise of SCar in the East, and Georgia had a losing SEC record.

Obviously 2011 and 2012 were better, but even in both of those years, the Dawgs had inexplicable Richtian losses - Clobbered right out of the gate by Boise State, boatraced by SCar, threw away a dominant first half of SECCG to LSU, blew a lead to Mich State in Outback Bowl and lost in 3OT; run the frick out of WBS in Columbia, and let Bama gash the DL for ~350 yards in SECCG.

Those were the GOOD years. For '13 & '14, Tennessee and Florida regressed, Mizzou emerges as the snoozer East champ for two consecutive years, SCar hangs around in the division races, and where is Georgia? Oh yeah, right in the middle of the pack.

Mediocre.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61287 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:00 pm to
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Worst on that list of 5 best sec programs, which I bet is worse than where uga was under Donnan.


Possibly. I don't know and don't want to spend too much time looking all of that up. But I'd bet Donnan's was worse. I'd also bet that Donnan didn't play against as many Top 15 teams...or 25....or whatever the number was.

Hey look. We get it. You guys don't like Richt. You want him fired. If he does get fired, I just hope it works out for us.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61287 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:05 pm to
The problem with those things is that they are based upon rankings as the two teams play each other. Oftentimes some of those teams end up dropping completely put of the rankings, and sometimes a team you beat as unranked ends up being ranked at the end of the year. It's misleading as all get out. A team is as good as they end up. And we normally end up pretty good.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:06 pm to
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Huh?SC finished 5th and LSU finished 12th in 2013.
If not for one of the biggest flukes in the history of flukes we als beat AU.

Clemson was damn good last year as well.


SCar was the only of those games where we won by 2 scores. By my count, that made Georgia 2-2 out of those 4. Looks pretty average to me.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
28080 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:13 pm to
You just said we haven't beaten better teams since 2012 amd I just pointed out 2 teams that we beat that ended up ranked higher than us since 2012.

So now you're changing the arguement to how bad we beat them?

Unbelievable.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61287 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:14 pm to
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the Dawgs had inexplicable Richtian losses - Clobbered right out of the gate by Boise State,


Boise was ranked #5 in the nation.....inexplicable loss? I think we were ranked somewhere around 17 or 18. Come on, man. A #18 team losing to a #5 is NOT inexplicable.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61287 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:20 pm to
SCar was the only of those games where we won by 2 scores

Well.....shhot. Let's call up all the offcies and tell them to adjust the schedules. If you don't win or lose by 2 scores or more it doesn't count.

Seriously man?
Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:21 pm to
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The problem with those things is that they are based upon rankings as the two teams play each other.


That's why I don't predicate the argument on rankings alone. RD's case was that SCar and LSU were better teams than us. I have to assume he believes this based on their ranking at the time the game was played. At kickoff, SCar was #6 and UGA was #11. They finished #4 in the AP and we finished unranked after losing to Nebraska in the bowl game. After we played Carolina, we went on the injury spree, so the Georgia that ran out the last 8:30 in the 4Q wasn't the same team that lost the bowl game.

Even if critics concede the South Carolina win from 2013, that still means that it's been over 2 years since the team actually stepped up and accomplished something on the field. Auburn would have been the biggest comeback in school history (if the announcers were correct), but it wasn't to be. The LSU game in '13 was a practical dead heat between the teams, so I don't necessarily qualify that as a win against somebody they shouldn't have beaten.

The football team is run by a backup who never had to make the game his ultimate focus. That colors his entire development as a player as well as his career. The team has absolutely taken on the attitude of its coach. Some folks are okay with that. I'm not.
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
61287 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:22 pm to
Richt haters don't care. they don't want to hear facts.....if the facts don't match up with their narrative then they change the narrative. I absolutely do not understand how they can hate someone as much as they do Richt. It's amazing the lengths some of them go to.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13904 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:24 pm to
Honest question UGA fans need to ask themselves.

Would Nick Saban have come here if we offered the same $ back when he came to Bama?

Did Bama just hire a coach like Saban and that is that or was it part of an overall financial commitment to spend their way back to the top?

I'll hang up and listen.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:25 pm to
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A #18 team losing to a #5 is NOT inexplicable.


No, that part isn't, but the overall lack of execution by the team was. It was what became evident over time as CMR being unable to get the team up for big games. Again, the issue is that with other coaches, #18 beating #5 is possible. It's not even in the realm of the imaginable for Mark Richt, and hasn't been for a decade.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
39337 posts
Posted on 11/10/15 at 1:35 pm to
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Worst on that list of 5 best sec programs, which I bet is worse than where uga was under Donnan.


Possibly. I don't know and don't want to spend too much time looking all of that up. But I'd bet Donnan's was worse. I'd also bet that Donnan didn't play against as many Top 15 teams...or 25....or whatever the number was.

Hey look. We get it. You guys don't like Richt. You want him fired. If he does get fired, I just hope it works out for us.


From 96-00, uga was 8-14 vs ranked teams.
From 10-14, Uga was 9-17 and so far 0-2 this year.
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