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re: 2022 Recruiting Thread (EJ Lightsey is a Dawg!)
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:47 am to Dawg4Life
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:47 am to Dawg4Life
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July 5 Kojo - the Ohio state
I really really don't understand the hype for a kid that turned out to be undersized relative to expectations. Maybe he ends up being a stud at tOSU, but there's a high probability he's a non-factor for at least 18 months on campus just due to their depth chart. Nothing about his game makes me think "he's an unreplaceable talent".
If our final WR class were something like:
Jayden Gibson (recent Opening standout)
Andre Greene
Denylon Morissette
(with a possible surprise high quality addition to make 4 total WRs)
Do you really miss Kojo in the class? I think a lot of people feel like we're missing on a second Jermaine Burton, when that simply doesn't seem to be the case as of today.
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Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:29 pm to Dawg4Life
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So I guess the next big dates are
July 5 Kojo - the Ohio state
July 8 - ***** Jeremiah Alexander
July 22 - **** Branson Robinson
July 22 -**** Dani Dennis-Sutton
Sept 18- *** Carlton Madden
Sept 30 - **** Oscar delp
Walter Nolan??
Travis Shaw??
It’s a long mans game and not for the faint of heart when you run with the big boys. I’d be damned though if t doesn’t feel like we are on our heels a little bit at the moment. But hey, it’s also a game Kirby plays better than most of America
I wouldn't count on Alexander, but from what I understand, we are in a very good place with the rest of those you named.
It's fair to say we might be on our heels...particularly with WR recruiting, right now. There are still a lot of them out there, though, and a long way to go.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:43 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I really really don't understand the hype for a kid that turned out to be undersized relative to expectations. Maybe he ends up being a stud at tOSU, but there's a high probability he's a non-factor for at least 18 months on campus just due to their depth chart. Nothing about his game makes me think "he's an unreplaceable talent".
He's a fighter. He doesn't let anybody get the ball over him. I mean, I realize he is not Waddle, but Waddle was only 5'10", too. Waddle and Kojo have different games. Waddle is speed and Kojo is get the ball and fight for it. More strength than speed. But both are very good at what they are good at.
quote:Absolutely correct, here, but he would also be 19 months out for us, too. Gilbert,Burton are both Sophomores and Jackson will be here 4 years. (Probably.) Add to that he would probably be behind Smith,Rosemy and Blaylock.
but there's a high probability he's a non-factor for at least 18 months on campus just due to their depth chart.
The only ture shining star we have right now is Pickens, but the rest are all very good. Not great but very good.
quote:Probably not but it would be nice if he were the fourth mystery WR.
If our final WR class were something like:
Jayden Gibson (recent Opening standout)
Andre Greene
Denylon Morissette
(with a possible surprise high quality addition to make 4 total WRs)
Do you really miss Kojo in the class?
I agree with you 100%. I think we would be a bit stronger with him, but we will be fine without him. If Monken opens up our offense like they say they will we will get some excellent WRs in the class. If we turn turtle and go back in our safe shell we will get what we can get.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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The only ture shining star we have right now is Pickens, but the rest are all very good. Not great but very good.
Disagree.
Burton is a star. He will breakout this season if he stays healthy.
Smith isnt a star, but he has the tools to develop into one. My guess is that he puts it together at UGA (unlike Mecole) because we have an OC who will show off his skillsets.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:23 pm to meansonny
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Burton is a star. He will breakout this season if he stays healthy.
At this time he would not be considered a star. Can he break out and become one? Sure. At times he looked great. At times Jackson looked great. But until that consistency gets there I wouldn't consider him a star.
I mean. I agree with what you are saying. If he stays healthy he can break out and become a star.
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My guess is that he puts it together at UGA (unlike Mecole) because we have an OC who will show off his skillsets.
The possibility is definitely there.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 4:32 pm to meansonny
If JT Daniels wouldn't have underthrown two deep balls we would be saying Smith is a super star.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 5:50 pm to DawgRff
When you have a guy that fast that you haven’t had much time to get reps with you tend to overthrow him. That will work itself out.
Posted on 7/6/21 at 6:43 pm to Chainsaw Massaquoi
I'm not knocking JT. His leg wasn't 100%
Posted on 7/7/21 at 12:55 am to DawgsLife
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At this time he would not be considered a star
I respectfully agree to disagree.
Bookmark this.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:13 am to meansonny
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I respectfully agree to disagree.
You cant argue against the stats though. What he is and what can be are 2 different things.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:49 am to DawgRff
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If JT Daniels wouldn't have underthrown two deep balls we would be saying Smith is a super star.
This 100%. We tend to throw that term (Star) around loosely. One or two plays....one or two games does not make a star. If Smith becomes a star, we will need to hit him with open slant routes that he can catch in stride and take to the house. We can't just throw the ball long and let him run under them. Defenses will adjust and stop the long pass. Of course, that opens up the running game a bit.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 4:57 am to meansonny
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I respectfully agree to disagree.
Bookmark this.
Actually, I think you are misunderstanding me. I didn't say he will not be a star. I am saying based upon what he has done to date he is not a star. The talent is there to become a star. A star has to have more than 27 catches for 404 yards. Georgia has tons of receivers in the past with those single season credentials and nobody would claim they were stars.
Jackson had 36 catches for 514 yards last season alone.
Cager had 33 catches for 476 yards.
We talk about holding Mecole Hardman back while in college and his last year he had 34 catches and 532 yards.
Can he break through and have a 1,000 yard year? Maybe. But he will need to have more than 400 yards receiving to be considered a star, The talent is there, though.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:24 am to DawgsLife
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He's a fighter. He doesn't let anybody get the ball over him. I mean, I realize he is not Waddle, but Waddle was only 5'10", too. Waddle and Kojo have different games. Waddle is speed and Kojo is get the ball and fight for it. More strength than speed. But both are very good at what they are good at.
Here's the problem with that... if I want someone to go out and win body positioning battles for the football, I want them to have size. If I'm taking an undersized guy, I NEED him to have loads of speed and agility to maximize his value. He's got the wrong combination in my eyes to be a high level contributor.
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Absolutely correct, here, but he would also be 19 months out for us, too. Gilbert,Burton are both Sophomores and Jackson will be here 4 years. (Probably.) Add to that he would probably be behind Smith,Rosemy and Blaylock.
The only ture shining star we have right now is Pickens, but the rest are all very good. Not great but very good.
Even if I agree that Pickens is the only shining star in that batch, Kojo isn't better overall than anyone on that list was coming out of HS. He's more polished as a receiver than Smith was but obviously does not have 4.2 speed which is really where Smith's value lies (potential to develop into a better receiver to max out the value of his speed).
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Probably not but it would be nice if he were the fourth mystery WR.
I'll reserve judgement on our recruiting and our incoming WRs until I see the final class, but I just don't see us taking 4 WRs where Kojo would have been a big miss, and that's what I'm seeing pretty routinely online right now... that our WR recruiting is falling apart. If we have a bad season and fail to deliver on the stated goal of modernizing the offense and showcasing the passing game, we likely will have shite WR recruiting, but that will be an earned problem and Kirby and the staff would need to answer for it, but given the makeup of the team this year it would be surprising. If we have a good to great year passing the ball, I'd be shocked if we don't have at least 3 WRs that are not only as good or better than Kojo but better fits for what we need on campus, and probably the 4th would be reasonably equivalent with a higher ceiling.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:51 am to fibonaccisquared
quote:I get the size thing...but i want an aggressive ball hawk in that position. I mean, in your last post (I think it was you...or somebody on the other board, maybe?) it was said thta by the time he is in college there's a good chance he could be at 6'. That would be as big if not bigger than most CBs. I'm not sure if speed would be an asset in a "fight for the ball" situation. As long as a receiver can get separation they don't necessarily have to have speed....but yes, having a Waddle/Smith is great, but it doesn't appear as if we are going after that kind of receiver right now.
Here's the problem with that... if I want someone to go out and win body positioning battles for the football, I want them to have size. If I'm taking an undersized guy, I NEED him to have loads of speed and agility to maximize his value. He's got the wrong combination in my eyes to be a high level contributor.
quote:I think you misunderstood that part of my post. I agree with you here. I said he would be just as far back in our WR room as in OSU. (Or I meant to say that)
Even if I agree that Pickens is the only shining star in that batch, Kojo isn't better overall than anyone on that list was coming out of HS. He's more polished as a receiver than Smith was but obviously does not have 4.2 speed which is really where Smith's value lies (potential to develop into a better receiver to max out the value of his speed).
quote:I get their angst. It seems like we have suddenly fallen behind on some targets lately. It may or may not be an accurate assessment, but that is the feeling. A part of that comes from speculation of the historic class some have been predicting. I figure we will have a similar type class we have brought in the past 3-4 years...and there's nothing wrong with that. The classes have been very, very good.
I'll reserve judgement on our recruiting and our incoming WRs until I see the final class, but I just don't see us taking 4 WRs where Kojo would have been a big miss, and that's what I'm seeing pretty routinely online right now.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:58 am to djsdawg
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You cant argue against the stats though. What he is and what can be are 2 different things
I am exactly arguing the stats
True freshman
Game with 8 catches 197 yards and 2 TDs
I will let you list out the true freshman wide receivers with that type of production in a game at UGA and we can see the company that Burton is already in.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:58 pm to meansonny
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True freshman
Game with 8 catches 197 yards and 2 TDs
That one game made up about half of his entire production.
I guess we look at things differently. I don't think one game makes a star when they played 11 last year.
Do I think he will emerge as a star? I think it is likely. But there have been way too many players have one big game and not be heard from again.
Remember when everybody was fired up and excited about ROWK? Or remember how excited everybody was about Bennet? I mean we can all say, "I knew he wouldn't last. He just doesn't have it." But everybody was also thinking we had caught lightening in a bottle.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 11:02 pm to DawgsLife
You are free to list freshmen at UGA who had done better against a P5 or SEC opponent. Hint: Pickens and Green come close.
It takes something special to not allow a DC to adjust to your game.
Just be ready for I Told You So.
It takes something special to not allow a DC to adjust to your game.
Just be ready for I Told You So.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 5:31 am to DawgsLife
I think he’s an emerging star and will have a breakout year but we also need to remember how bad the qb play was until JTD took over. That’s having an impact on his stats.
And you’re throwing out some terrible examples. Comparing a talent like Burton to 2 star players who no one expected much from. People were excited because it was unexpected to see them perform so well and I doubt many people thought ROWK was gonna continue to sustain his success.
And you’re throwing out some terrible examples. Comparing a talent like Burton to 2 star players who no one expected much from. People were excited because it was unexpected to see them perform so well and I doubt many people thought ROWK was gonna continue to sustain his success.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:24 am to meansonny
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You are free to list freshmen at UGA who had done better against a P5 or SEC opponent. Hint: Pickens and Green come close.
I don't have the time or will to go through the entire history of Georgia football game by game to find one receiver who had a single game better than him. And even if I did it wouldn't prove anything. He might end up being a star. He might not. We'll both have to wait and see. I am just not of the mind to declare someone a start after one game.
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Just be ready for I Told You So.
So told me so...what? I have already said he might prove himself to be a star. I already said I think it likely he will do that.
So, what exactly are you telling me?
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:37 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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I think he’s an emerging star
I agree.
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will have a breakout year
I think it is possible, but not a certainty. I hope he does.
Are you ready to deem a kid a star (Not an emerging star....a star) based upon one game?
quote:Not really. I mean, I don't think anyone expected ROWK to be a great player. But it was hard to go anywhere on this board without hearing people talk about the "Mailman". i picked Bennet in particular to show how extreme people can get with calling people stars after one or two games. So he, in particular was the type of example I wanted to use.
And you’re throwing out some terrible examples.
quote:Again...I agree about ROWK. But so many people were crowning Bennent he is exactly what I was pointing out. And don't forget we have had 2 and 3 star players become stars before. D'Andre Baker and JR Reed for example.
People were excited because it was unexpected to see them perform so well and I doubt many people thought ROWK was gonna continue to sustain his success.
I mean honestly...we thought Burton would be good, but did anybody think he would go off for 200 yards in a single game last season?
Is he capable? Yes. Is he emerging? Yes. I am just not ready to call him a certifiable star right now. Maybe he will be this coming year. We'll see. I hope he is. You guys act like I am saying he has no talent and will not be a start. I am not. I just don't call a player a star after one game. If I did, I would have called Bennett a star after Arkansas game. Or the Tennessee game. Or the Auburn game.
This post was edited on 7/8/21 at 6:38 am
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