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re: 2017 UGA Recruiting Thread (commits, offers, visits, etc.)

Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:55 am to
Posted by LedDawgK
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:55 am to
Lawrence would be a great pull. He is already the same size as Eason, has a great arm, annd like you said he has the ability to get a few yards if needed. After his visit he now has us tied with UT at the top which means that visit was huuuge.
Posted by gatorhata9
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:35 am to
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I don't see why we can't get more qbs like A Murray who can pass, but is a legit running threat. I know we got Eason, but it would be nice to get some athletic qbs who can create their own plays instead of just throwing the ball out of bounds. Imagine having a mobile qb handing the ball to Chubb/Michel or keeping it


Davis Mills, kid we just offered from GAC, can move a little bit. Not a statue back there like Hudson but probably not quite as mobile/quick as Murray. Really good blend.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 2:15 pm to
QBs like Murray don't grow on trees, guys. Most of these dual threat athletic QBs that some of you seem to want so badly come into college extremely raw as far as passing is concerned because their HS coaches will want to use their legs before their arm. It's the safer option in HS and it works at that level.

There are very, very few dual threat QBs who are equally great passing and running. If I have to lean one way or the other, I'm taking the QB who can pass better than he runs. Andrew Luck is basically the perfect QB because he's a tremendous passer and ran the 40 faster than Cam did (Luck's OL on the other hand, not so much). Guys like Luck don't come around very often though.

TL;DR: True dual threat QBs who can pass and run at an equally high level are hard to come by. A lot of QBs can do one well and the other a little bit. If I'm picking, I would rather have the QB who can pass well and scramble a bit when he has to.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:28 pm to
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QBs like Murray don't grow on trees, guys.
I didn't mean like Murray in a qb who can break almost all SEC records while being mobile. I meant it as a comparison to his mobility at qb, as he actually was a good running qb. But you are right finding a guy who could also crush you with the pass and beat you with the legs (Tenn long run, vs Auburn, etc) is tough to find.

Makes you wonder about what J Park could of done if he stayed. Not saying he would of done anything, but he would of gotten a shot to use his mobility. H Mason had like 4 rushing tds for us, so with Richt he would run the qb, but never really tried to get a legit dual guy as much as he should, given the success with DJ and when Murray did run (didn't run as much his upperclassman years as his early years). Cam was recruited at TE, Marshall was a CB for us. Not saying Marshall would of been any good at qb, but why not give guys like this a shot? He did have his moments passing and one would of hoped Richt would of coached him up better than at au.

Also I just would LOVE to see an actual threat at qb who could keep the ball and burn the defense on the option read with Gurley/Chubb/Michel/etc. That would be so sick! That Trevor L guy would be an awesome land and I hope we can pull it off. Also H Bailey seemed to be a dual guy who was pretty good at passing. So whats up with him? Do we have any chance now with Smart?
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 4:31 pm
Posted by Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:50 pm to
Not sure why people act like we never got any DT QBs recently. We did, they just didn't work out. Lemay and Park were both dual-threat, they just weren't very good.
Posted by Red&Black
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Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 6:40 pm to
^ this. Park was given a fair shake he just couldn't handle the playbook, reads, progressions etc.
Posted by DawgGONIT
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:04 pm to
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Not sure why people act like we never got any DT QBs recently. We did, they just didn't work out. Lemay and Park were both dual-threat, they just weren't very good.
I never said we never got DT qbs. Seems like we've had the most success with DJ and Murray who both were DT. I also pointed out how we wanted Cam Newton as TE, not a qb, B Marshall as a cb (who did show his moments), and I'm missing on some other DT qb, maybe it was D Watson and us waiting to late on him.

I mentioned Park as well and I don't see how you can say Park isn't any good. Only thing we saw of him was his limited play in GDay. Also C Lemay was a pro style qb not a dual threat guy.

It seems like Kirby is trying to get some of these guys and I'm for one would like to see UGA with that mobile qb who can keep the pressure on the defense.
Posted by gatorhata9
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:15 pm to
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I also pointed out how we wanted Cam Newton as TE, not a qb,


Cam was a whiff, obviously.

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Marshall as a cb (who did show his moments),


Would have never seen the field at QB at UGA.

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I mentioned Park as well and I don't see how you can say Park isn't any good.


When Grayson Lambert coming to town runs you off....you can draw your own conclusions

Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:59 pm to
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When Grayson Lambert coming to town runs you off....you can draw your own conclusions
No you really can't. Richt has played qbs who stuck around, Joe T, Joe Cox, Huston, yet Lambert comes in the summer and is pretty much named the starter. Lambert lost his starting gig at Virgina, yet comes in and takes over. Richt has never done this in the past and almost always rewarded the qb who stays or upperclass qb.

Ramsey sucks, Faton sucks, and Park was 3rd stringer behind them probably b/c he was a rFreshman and didn't know the playbook. Yet Lambert comes in and doesn't really know the playbook yet is given the starting job. It was just a bad situation and Richt handled it differently than he ever has for the qbs. I can see why the kid would want to transfer to get some PT. Ironically, if he would of stuck around he would of gotten his shot. The writing was on the wall for Park, Ramsey was ahead of him on the depth chart, Lambert came in and was pretty much the starter, and then you got Eason coming in the next year (who is proclaimed as the next Stafford).

Also I think Marshall could of seen the field over Huston. Huston could hardly throw the ball down the field and make plenty of mistakes for a 5th year SR. I'm not saying Marshall would of been the starter or led us to the Natty, but I'm sure he could of done as good as Huston on those 5-10 yard passes that was all Huston had.
Posted by Mike Gordon
Georgia
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:18 pm to
Huston Huston Huston Huston.
Posted by djsdawg
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:03 pm to
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The writing was on the wall for Park, Lambert came in and was pretty much the starter,


I thought Park left before Lambert came.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 10:31 pm to
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Ramsey sucks, Faton sucks, and Park was 3rd stringer behind them probably b/c he was a rFreshman and didn't know the playbook. Yet Lambert comes in and doesn't really know the playbook yet is given the starting job


A new OC came in who had nothing to do with recruiting the guys who were already here. It was a legitimate, open competition. Lambert won it.
Posted by gatorhata9
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 6:41 am to
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Also I think Marshall could of seen the field over Huston. Huston


Not a fricking chance in hell he plays over "Huston".

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make plenty of mistakes for a 5th year SR.


Well that 5th year senior and first year starter had 21 tds and 4 int's.

Sorry, can't take anything you say seriously. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Let's keep this thread on track. Start a separate thread if you'd like to discuss this topic further.
Posted by gatorhata9
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 6:43 am to
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thought Park left before Lambert came.


Lambert announced he was coming in early June. Park announced he was leaving later that month.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:51 am to
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Ramsey was ahead of him on the depth chart

That should tell you everything you need to know. The staff looked for ways to *not* put Ramsey on the field. If you can't get ahead of him, you're flat out not ready. Now... end this shite or move it to a different thread.

Any 2017 news today? Seems kinda slow news after a flurry of offers, flips, and visits. Anyone on campus this weekend?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:38 pm to
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Also I think Marshall could of seen the field over Huston.


Well, you're wrong. Like incredibly wrong. And I won't even get into how well Hutson actually played.

Marshall was never going to even sniff the QB position at UGA. He was a DB the whole way. Oh and btw, the highest level of football on earth also thinks so, since they moved him to DB pretty damn quick. Everyone wants to point to his success at Auburn and just copy and paste that over to UGA as if that actually happens. He had a year at JUCO against lower competition to hone his skills before entering college. Then when he did get to AU, he was inserted into a read option offense which is pretty dumbed down as far as QBs go. Have you heard him speak? There is no way he would ever pick up the intricacies of Bobo's offense, make proper checks at the LOS, play under center, execute fakes with his back to the defense, etc.

And to say Hutson only threw it 10 yards is just silly. He threw quite a few bombs in '14.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 12:46 pm to
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And to say Hutson only threw it 10 yards is just silly. He threw quite a few bombs in '14.


I didn't bother addressing that piece simply because it was naive. Hutson, for any faults you want to put his direction, was a *very* efficient QB for us. While he wasn't a gunslinger who was going to throw a ton of 40+ yard passes, he was able to keep defenses honest, which allowed our run game to do damage. There is no scenario where Marshall ever would have played QB for UGA other than gimmick/wildcat plays or QB-pocalypse where all the QBs magically contracted overnight aids from the same disease infested hooker. He was not equipped to handle a full fledged offense, which is why the zone read worked for him. If you want to fault UGA on misuse/failure to draft mobile QBs, you have to first address the system, which is a true pro-style offense. Under Richt's tenure, we never had an offensive scheme that was really designed to take advantage of the skills that a mobile QB brings... right, wrong, or indifferent, it simply wasn't our style of play.

Does that cause us to miss out on the Cam Newtons and Deshaun Watsons of the world? More than likely, yes. Is it also the reason that we have pulled guys like Eason, Murray, Stafford? Again... yes. Not every player is a perfect fit. Some offensive coaches can do a reasonable job bouncing back and forth, but more often than not, they have a style they prefer to stick to. Time will tell if Chaney is interested in bringing in DT options at QB, but realistically, you don't need a running QB, simply one that can slide in the pocket and throw well on the run... then if it's there, take 3-7 yard running play and get down. That's generally enough to keep defenses honest.

ETA: You might point to DJ Shockley's time at UGA, but even while he was here, it was pretty clear that he was a bit of a square peg/round hole for the offense that Richt/Bobo wanted to run... D. Greene, while probably not as physically talented was more in line with how they wanted to run the offense, so we got the circus show that was randomly inserting Shockley into the game, seemingly with no regard to game flow.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 10:26 pm to
Hutson did throw the ball deep, but he didn't do it much. Hell Gurley had the longest pass of the season too. Most of Hutson passes were short passes, 10 yards and under. I remember early in the season he missed badly on the deep passes, which could of been TDs. He did start to throw more deep passes at the end of the season, but he still didn't throw the ball deep a whole lot. Also does it matter if he threw the ball deep, if most of them were incomplete?

Again I didn't say Nick M would of started over Hutson, but NM would of competed ***If he stuck with qb the whole time at college*** and probably got a start or two.

I do think Nick had the talent to start at qb for UGA. Hell he had the talent to throw for 456 yards and 3 TDs vs Bama that year. The only game Huston threw over 200 yards, was vs UF and we still got blown out (he had a career high of 319 yds). Plus all you Richt supporters keep talking about great of a qb guru he is, then why couldn't Richt coach him up?

I also don't want to derail this thread, but with so many replys to it, I want to set things straight.

Also N Marshall had a better SR year at qb than H Mason. That is a fact! I don't want to defend this POS but for yall to act like N Marshall was some scrub at qb who couldn't starter over or even compete with the great passer in H Mason. N Marshall adds that extra option with his legs, so that really pushed him over the top vs Hutson.

N Marshall
Passing: 178 of 293, 60.8 comp %, 2532 passing yards @ 8.6 per attempt. 20 TD, 7 INT

Rushing: 153 attempts, 798 yards @ 5.2 avg, 11 TD no fumbles



H Mason
Passing: 188 of 277, 67.9 comp %, 2168 passing yards @ 7.8 per attempt. 21 TD, 4 INT

Rushing: 13 for 43 yards, with 4 TDs

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Seems pretty even to me, with the Mason winning the comp % and TD:INT ratio, but Nick put up very similar passing stats. Also Hutson only had 1 game where he threw for over 200 yards. N Marshall had 7 games, plus Auburn is an option run team too.
This post was edited on 2/26/16 at 10:27 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 2/26/16 at 11:21 pm to
Start a new thread if it's that important to you. That's the beauty of a message board. You clearly have an opinion... just share it in the proper venue.

To get things back on track, we offered 5* OT Wyatt Davis out of California. Pittman tryna do work right now.
Posted by DawgGONIT
Member since May 2015
2961 posts
Posted on 2/27/16 at 5:31 am to
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Start a new thread if it's that important to you. That's the beauty of a message board. You clearly have an opinion... just share it in the proper venue.
Thanks for letting me know how to internet.

People get pretty pissed in the recruiting thread, but with so many replies I had to straighten things out. I did figure after I posted a bunch of factual stats, that you guys would tell me to start another thread. Even though most of this page consists of you guys talking about Hutson.

Also it seems important to you Fib, since you replied 3 different times to my post.
This post was edited on 2/27/16 at 5:33 am
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