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Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:05 am to djsdawg
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:05 am to djsdawg
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2006-2015 east titles:
UF 4
Mizzou 2
UGA 2
SC 1
UT 1
Mr cherry picker back at it as usual.Can you freakin have ANY type of discussion about CMR w/out doing this?
Fact is no one won the East more between 2001 and 2015 than CMR and UGA.Is it that hard for you to acknowledge these FACTS?
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Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:15 am to RD Dawg
Winning the SEC east over the last 6 or 7 years has been equivalent to winning a gold medal in the Special Olympics, just saying.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:17 am to RD Dawg
Pretty sure you cherry picked 5 years because it makes richt look better as you get to ignore 2006-2010. I simply went with every single season since our last sec title. I didn't leave half of them out like you did. In other words, I included 100% to your 50%. Hey, congrats! You won this round of cherry picking.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:45 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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All true, but on the other side of the coin they were playing the same type schedule and still not winning 7 games a year at MSU before he got there.
Besides the Croom era, Miss State has been pretty much what they are now, and thats a team that is usually right around .500, give or take a game. Mullen hasnt done anything that Jackie Sherrell didnt do, and Mullen has that extra non-conference game to pad his schedule.
Mullen is a descent coach, but I wouldnt trust him at a larger program. I dont think he could elevate them like other coaches in college football today. I think he's basically Jim Grobe.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 11:52 am to DawgsLife
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However, the statement was that he was not a good recruiter.
It was:
quote:That's what I was referring to when you said it wasn't true. Our offensive lines were usually a pretty weak link on our offense under Richt. His ability to recruit skill players is pretty obvious.
Richt wasn't such a good ol recruiter.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:00 pm to djsdawg
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Pretty sure you cherry picked 5 years because it makes richt look better as you get to ignore 2006-2010
DL originally posted about his last 5 years of work and you,as usual chopped off 5 and replaced it with your own narrative to reflect the last 10 years (bizarre but typical of your MO)
So I just posted his ENTIRE scope of work and somehow THAT's cherry picking?
That really so difficult?
Once again,why does almost every thread you get involved with have to come back to your CMR hatred?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:09 pm to djsdawg
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name one SEC East coach
One coach. there is a reason those other coaches were replaced. It's because he did more than they did.
If you want to include any and all teams and coaches then do it his entire tenure.
No single coach has done more than Richt in the SEC east. Why did you pick certain years and include multiple coaches for a single team? Even if you want to cherry pick your years, Richt only had one team win more SEC east titles than him. In the 15 years he was at UGA he had 5 titles. The last 5 years he had 2.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:12 pm to TMDawg
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That's what I was referring to when you said it wasn't true. Our offensive lines were usually a pretty weak link on our offense under Richt. His ability to recruit skill players is pretty obvious.
I understand what you are saying, but name one coach outside of Saban that is great at recruiting every single position. And, in the last 3 years he was here he recruited four 4*(Or better) OT's. You might want to argue that the OL was not developed as they should have been. I think that would have been more accurate. But to make a blanket statement that Richt was not a good recruiter is way off base.
Kirby seems to be a better recruiter, and that is good news for all of us if his coaching improves. I saw improvement that indicates he is learning. Let's hope that continues. If it does we should be in great shape considering his recruiting so far.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 12:17 pm to djsdawg
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Pretty sure you cherry picked 5 years because it makes richt look better as you get to ignore 2006-2010.
Even taking your criteria he was second in SEC East titles.
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I simply went with every single season since our last sec title.
Why? because that makes him look worse? His worst stretch, he was still second in the East in titles. his WORST stretch. Care to take a look at his best? Or his last 5?
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I included 100% to your 50%.
No you didn't. he was here 15 years. Your time frame was hardly 100%. And 5 years is hardly 50%.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:12 pm to RD Dawg
I am shocked you hate to look at the last ten years of his time Because there is Nothing wrong about analyzing how well he did after his last sec title. Of course, it doesn't hurt that it's a nice round number of seasons either.
The truth is, the tebow years were tough, and richt was was fortunate when urban left uf. Problem was, he couldn't take advantage after them, and that cost him his job. It's a tough swallow for some folks, but a necessary one.
The truth is, the tebow years were tough, and richt was was fortunate when urban left uf. Problem was, he couldn't take advantage after them, and that cost him his job. It's a tough swallow for some folks, but a necessary one.
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:26 pm to djsdawg
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I am shocked you hate to look at the last five years of his time
FIFY
If you are going to look at only the last 10 years, why is it not legitimate to look at the last 5? It is more relevant to what he was doing. 5 years is a pretty round number, too. but to insinuate you are looking at 100% of the body of work is wrong on every level.
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he couldn't take advantage after them, and that cost him his job. It's a tough swallow for some folks, but a necessary one.
No it's not. We all acknowledge that he could not get us over the hump, and it was time for him to go. Our problem is with people that want to kick him every week, post after post. To insinuate he was not a good coach...or a poor recruiter is wrong, too, and you were called on those comments.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 1:31 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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All true, but on the other side of the coin they were playing the same type schedule and still not winning 7 games a year at MSU before he got there.
I agree with Porter. If you look at Mullen's record in a vacuum, it looks unimpressive. When you look at it from the perspective that he did it at Mississippi State, it looks much, much more impressive. I dn't remember the last time MState was looked at as a threat before Mullin was there. It's been awhile, that's for sure.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:03 pm to DawgsLife
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Your time frame was hardly 100%. And 5 years is hardly 50%.
It was 100% of the time period after our last sec title and since the arrival of Tebow. It's not a coincidence they both begin in 2006. The sec changed, and then our window of sec champion football ended.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:04 pm to DawgsLife
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To insinuate he was not a good coach...or a poor recruiter is wrong, too, and you were called on those comments.
So average coach and average recruiter?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:30 pm to djsdawg
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It was 100% of the time period after our last sec title
Well his was 100% of the last 5 years. Seriously? You want to claim your time frame was 100% of the time frame you picked? THAT'S your argument?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:35 pm to djsdawg
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So average coach and average recruiter?
Average is middle of the pack. He was neither of those as a coach or as a recruiter and there is solid proof of both of those.
Definition of average:
a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number: Compare with mean.
If there are 130 teams in college football we would have had to recruit at # 65 to be average. NONE of his classes were #65. He also finished much better in rankings. So, you would be wrong again.
Look, he may not have met your expectations. We get that. But don't use hyperbole to try to make your point. You're much too good for that, and it makes your arguments look silly.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:42 pm to DawgsLife
His was only 50% of the time involving tebow and beyond, which was from 2006-15 of richts career. Do you think it's a coincidence richt was such a better coach before tebow arrived?
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:45 pm to DawgsLife
Ok, so above average or good in the tebow and beyond era, kind of like donnan was. He was great from 2002-2005.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:52 pm to djsdawg
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His was only 50% of the time involving tebow and beyond,
You do know the SEC was before Tebow, right?
Why don't you use 5 years. It's that round number you are so proud about, and it is a much better snap shot of where a program is headed. OR, use the entire time frame.
You are just wanting to pick a time frame in which we struggled. The last 5 years we did pretty darn good. possibly better than any other time during his tenure here. 2012 we could easily have won the National Championship. His failure was he just couldn't get over that hump. Frame it any way you want, but your time frame makes no sense on any level.
Posted on 12/18/16 at 3:52 pm to djsdawg
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Ok, so above average or good in the tebow and beyond era, kind of like donnan was. He was great from 2002-2005.
Ok. If the top 10 out of 130 is above average, then he was above average.
ETA
Out of curiosity, what do you have to do to be a good coach in the world you live in?
This post was edited on 12/18/16 at 3:54 pm
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