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re: 19 Years Ago Today: Widespread Panic 4/18/1998 Downtown Athens, GA.

Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:05 pm to
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Vic Chesnutt was very original and very out there. He kinda almost made you feel uncomfortable.

That's not really fair. I'm not a vic chesnuitt fan, but they, and the original guitarist, did have a unique sound. The replacement guitarist is following a cartography mapped out by the original. You silly little duckling.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:24 pm to
Pretty sure that means I win.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:29 pm to
You were always going to win. You are a dues paying member of "the scene".
Posted by JacketFan77
Tiger, GA
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Posted on 4/22/17 at 10:54 pm to
Is there a reason no one is using Michael Houser's name?

Not a huge WSP fan, but a lot of my buddies were/are and I made it to a few shows back in the day. I was living in CO during Panic in the Streets, but one of the aforementioned buddies interned for Capricorn at the time and when I wound up back in Athens later that Fall, it seemed like WSP were always floating around Athens. Years later I'd get introduced to JB by my mom - by then, he and his wife had moved to the mountains and the wife had started a holistic health business in Clarkesville and they had gotten to know my parents - signs and wonders or some shite.

When Houser died, another WSP fan buddy started a sticker campaign to raise money for a Houser memorial fund or some such. I always liked Houser's style, but his passing made me go back and re-listen to their music - can't be denied that Houser was a force on guitar and, yes, had quite a unique sound.

I'll echo what some have said about the scene and the make-up of the fans, but WSP's sharp climb began about four years before Jerry died - by then, WSP had a very large fanbase that had nothing really to do with the Dead.

And the Phish-Dead comparisons have always seemed silly to me. Phish is way more Zappa/Rush/Yes than Dead. The only uniting factor are the psychedelics ... I think a lot of that element that was present at most Dead shows ended up migrating to mostly Phish tour, but also a bit of the WSP tours as well. Gotta sell that shite somewhere.
This post was edited on 4/22/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 12:42 am to
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:25 am to
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Jim Hendrix did... but he did it much better.
No Hendrix didn't do it in the same way.

And it's not exactly harsh criticism to say that Hendrix was a better or more unique guitarist than Mikey. Pretty sure that can be said about Hendrix relative to a majority of guitarists that have ever played.
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:30 am to
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And the Phish-Dead comparisons have always seemed silly to me.
Agreed. And that's because aside from a bunch of spun out people being there and the improvisation aspect, there aren't really other big similarities.

The Dead laid the foundation for touring as a 'jam band' and now anyone that is successful playing 'jam band' music is considered a knock off. It's pretty stupid.

That's why Phish quit covering the Dead really early on (with really rare exceptions like the 8/9/98 VA Beach Terrapin on the anniversary of Jerry's death). The two bands sound so musically different it's a lazy comparison to make.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:52 am to
So, would you agree that WSPs core fan base are Frat/Sorority types whose top 5 bands include Allman Brothers and the Dead?
Posted by TMDawg
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 7:55 am to
I would agree with that. Just not sure what that has to do with the originality of WSP?
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/23/17 at 9:50 am to
Maybe I have not been clear on that and I appreciate your candor. I agree they are original in a sense... within the Jam genre which they were on the forefront of the second wave that resurfaced in the mid 80s. To me, it was a lot of the same. Plus, and maybe you weren't around for this... but the Sorority shirt, Birkenstock head looking at the ground dance irritated the frick out of me... but that's obviously my issue.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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31961 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:32 pm to
Peter, Can you tell that story again, about the time you saw Husker Du open for The Cure at EScargot Fest in Marseille?

I love the part how the picnic planning got confused and so everyone in 'the scene' showed up with olive trays but nobody brought any Chianti. Oh heavens!
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 2:59 pm to
Husked Du shows were fun sometimes. Then the 'slam dance' people fricked that up too. They were loud and pretty violent. Not the Chianti Sorority crowd by any means...
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:06 pm to
I don't care what anybody says - the Cure in their prime was a good time.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:17 pm to
disintegration was a great album, but they also did HOT HOT HOT...
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 3:18 pm to
Lullaby
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:55 pm to
Yeah, Phish and WSP don't belong in the same conversation other than the fact their crowds enjoy drugs and they both play long songs with extended jams. If I had to choose one, I'd definitely go with Phish....I just think they're immensely more talented and creative.

That said, some of the WSP stuff is pretty good. I think my appreciation for them took a huge drop when I saw them live 2001-ish in Tulsa. The crowd was just fricking nasty...dirty arse hippies, dreadlocks, dirty clothes, loud, obnoxious, the pointless spin dance bullshite. Just a really unpleasant atmosphere for someone like myself, just a regular guy who uses deodorant, gets hair cuts, and likes the music.

Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 3:57 pm to
Yet those people are the reason they sell out everywhere they play. It's because that element latched on to them. En masse.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:37 pm to
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Yet those people are the reason they sell out everywhere they play. It's because that element latched on to them. En masse.

There's probably more grey hair and bald spots at WSP shows than dread locks and Jesus haircuts.

It's basically mom and dad's night out now. More money changes hands with parents paying baby-sitters so they can get out for a night to relive a rock concert adventure from their youth, than money changes hands betweetn cool guys for drugs probably.

You're so out of touch on this one. It's crazy.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 9:57 pm to
People get older and the music still sucks. Nothing shocking...
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 10:10 pm to
Funny you say that because you just described a Phish show perfectly. Panic fans are old, fat, bald frat dudes.
This post was edited on 4/26/17 at 10:12 pm
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