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re: Ole Miss devolves into Random historical bickering
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:06 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:06 am to Roger Klarvin
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Your expectations for our athletic department are so low that there really isn't any point in trying to have a real discussion about it. I wish I was as easy to appease.
We're 5-1, ranked 15th with a loss to ALABAMA and we've played the whole year without linebackers.
This is the SEC, it ain't intramurals brother. There are 13 other teams with the same expectations. Look at what's happening at auburn. They're in year 3 of a coach who was only gone for one season and recruited virtually every player on the roster. They hired the #1 DC target in the country and supposedly had a lot more to work with than Chavis was going to have here. Do you think auburn doesn't have a commitment to winning and high expectations?
No we're not going to go undefeated this year, but there's a damn good chance we go 11-2 when before the season we were picked 2nd to last in our division.
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:14 am to Nguyening
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We're 5-1, ranked 15th with a loss to ALABAMA and we've played the whole year without linebackers.
He made the same arguments last year when we went 7-5.
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Do you think auburn doesn't have a commitment to winning and high expectations?
Gus Malzahn played in the national title game 20 months ago and is in serious jeopardy of losing his job if Auburn doesn't win another conference game or two. Literally the entire Auburn fan base hates him right now. They fired Gene Chizik less than two years after WINNING a national title.
If Sumlin won a national title here, we would literally never fire him. Ever. He would be a God. At Auburn your good will runs out in about 18 months. That is a vast difference in fan base expectations. Auburn, the third best program in their division, demands a level of excellence we can't even fathom.
We view success differently because no Aggie alive has ever experienced it on the big stage. The biggest moments in the history of our modern program are winning a few Cotton Bowls and an upset win the Big XII Title game nearly 20 years ago.
It's frustrating and sad for the minority who don't still have a SWC/regional rivalry mindset towards athletics. The people who pay the bills and make the decisions are still from the generation who would have been happy getting pounded in the SEC just to spite Texas.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:21 am to AgBQ00
I think we gave up. Ole miss by 30 points
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:22 am to AgBQ00
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Pointing out the where, why and how something breaks down is not excuse making it is simply looking at what is there and understanding the causes and results.
And this would be fine if it were isolated incidents. When a program continues to lose big games like it's their job, it becomes hollow.
I'm sick and tired of being young and a year away. We are the most underachieving program in America in relation to our resources over the last 18 years or so. Michigan State was our only rival in that category until recently.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:23 am to Roger Klarvin
Are you seriously saying that the move to the SEC was a mistake driven by "SWC mindsets"?
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:24 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:27 am to Roger Klarvin
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The biggest moments in the history of our modern program are winning a few Cotton Bowls and an upset win the Big XII Title game nearly 20 years ago.
This is true.
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The people who pay the bills and make the decisions are still from the generation who would have been happy getting pounded in the SEC just to spite Texas.
This is just silly. No one feels that way.
As far as getting pounded, we are playing the best football we have since that Big XII title 20 years ago. Sure its not a national title yet, but this year is far from over. 3 weeks ago no would really consider LSU a title contender because they were about as one dimensional as they could be. Hell we all thought Ole Miss might be the best team in football after the Bama game. Things change quickly during a season. We have 6 games left and I think its as likely as we go 6-0 and we do 3-3. It'll probably end up being somewhere in the middle. I don't know about you, but 10-2 would meet my expectations.
I would just say relax and let things play out. Its out of our control and you may end up missing the enjoyment of a great season because we're not a flawless team.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:32 am to Roger Klarvin
Gus is in trouble b/c they started the year in the top 10 as a playoff contender and instead opened at home by going to OT w/Jacksonville State in a game they should have lost, got their arse kicked by LSU and Moo State, and then nearly lost to Kentucky.
The situations are not comparable but go ahead and do some sweet dance moves to try and twist it as if they are.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:34 am to Roger Klarvin
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We view success differently because no Aggie alive has ever experienced it on the big stage. The biggest moments in the history of our modern program are winning a few Cotton Bowls and an upset win the Big XII Title game nearly 20 years ago.
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We are the most underachieving program in America in relation to our resources over the last 18 years or so. Michigan State was our only rival in that category until recently.
Dropping bombs of truth.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:39 am to Farmer1906
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No one feels that way.
A lot of people feel that way, I've known many my whole life. There are entire generations of Aggies from the 50s, 60s and 70s (the ones who are the big donors right now) who have lived their whole lives with the lingering mindset of "1-10 is fine if the one win is Texas". They don't say this, but it's how they approach our AD.
According to many who know John Sharpe, all of this has been at the core about "beating Texas". Our stadium wasn't going to get signed off on until the plans had it being larger than DKR. Period. It was non-negotiable. The SEC move came with assurances that A&M had enough "no" votes from other member to prevent Texas from ever following. Again, this was personally negotiated and a potential deal breaker. Hyman was told he was never allowed to schedule Texas in football when he was hired. Like it's written into the contract he signed. It was posted on Texags varsity last year.
Everything we have done, and I do mean everything, has at it's most basic roots been driven by one thing: The old BMA desire to finally be better than Texas. Everything else is superficial and meant to distract from that.
As long as we get more TV coverage than Texas, have a bigger stadium than Texas and can laugh at Texas in the Big 12 our actual results on the field are secondary to the people making the decisions. This might be tough to deal with, but it's the hard truth.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:42 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:42 am to PhilipMarlowe
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We view success differently because no Aggie alive has ever experienced it on the big stage. The biggest moments in the history of our modern program are winning a few Cotton Bowls and an upset win the Big XII Title game nearly 20 years ago.
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We are the most underachieving program in America in relation to our resources over the last 18 years or so. Michigan State was our only rival in that category until recently.
Yup both true.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:43 am to Roger Klarvin
Many of those things you are claiming are just for spite, are there to help further their (texas') marginalization. It would have been moronic to make the move just to have them follow a few years later and eliminate any advantage we gained from SEC membership. Currently it would be moronic to have the game with texas because we must establish our brand outside of any influence of them. Those decisions look like hard nosed business decisions to me.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:45 am to Roger Klarvin
Well I guess I will have to take your word on that, because I haven't met a single person that has that kind of mindset. Sure we enjoy when tu gets their arse kicked by TCU, but its not a big deal in the big scheme of things. We still compete with them in a lot of things in the state. The sports are coming back too. They're on our baseball schedule this year. They're a rival, but that is it. Most people I know, because that is all I can speak for, care about A&M #1 and everything else is small potatoes.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:45 am to Dr RC
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Gus is in trouble b/c they started the year in the top 10 as a playoff contender and instead opened at home by going to OT w/Jacksonville State in a game they should have lost, got their arse kicked by LSU and Moo State, and then nearly lost to Kentucky.
The situations are not comparable but go ahead and do some sweet dance moves to try and twist it as if they are.
If Sumlin were in the same spot here, a national title appearance less than two years ago, his job wouldn't even be being discussed. At all.
Don't act for a second like we hold our coaches to the same standard as Auburn, it is demonstrably false.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:46 am to Roger Klarvin
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They don't say this, but it's how they approach our AD.
In other words, nobody has every told me this but I'm going to go ahead and pretend its true b/c I'm all about rolling heavy w/the confirmation bias.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:47 am to Farmer1906
That's how people our age feel for the most part. That's how most in their 20s-40s think. That isn't how many older Ags think.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:47 am to Dr RC
is auburn even talking about getting rid of gus? they sure dont seem to be talking about it
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:50 am to Dr RC
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nobody has every told me this but I'm going to go ahead and pretend its true b/c I'm all about rolling heavy w/the confirmation bias.
Plenty of people have told me that. My grandfather who passed away earlier this year lived and died with that mindset. My father is class of '81 and the "well, at least Texas sucks" is the common mindset among he and his peers from that era.
You know what the first question just about every old Ag I talk to about the stadium renovation asked over the past couple of years?
"Will it have more seats than DKR?"
Ouch
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:51 am to Roger Klarvin
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If Sumlin were in the same spot here, a national title appearance less than two years ago, his job wouldn't even be being discussed. At all.
That is not true for one. Also, Gus isn't really in danger of getting fired unless they lose out. Even then he would likely get another year unless they start getting beat by all time worst scores like Chiz did when he completely lost the team in his final year.
Again, the situations are not comparable and you are flat out using half truths and message board fodder to bolster your arguments
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:51 am to WestCoastAg
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is auburn even talking about getting rid of gus?
Their inside guys seem to think so. Gus' seat is warm enough for them to be talking about it.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:52 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:can you link this? im not saying it hasnt happened, i just legitimately havent seen it and if its out there, i would like to read it
Their inside guys seem to think so. Gus' seat is warm enough for them to be talking about it.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:54 am
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