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re: Official: Fire Kevin Sumlin Thread

Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:38 pm to
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:38 pm to
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What is that to you? Gibbs?



Maybe. I am disappointed with how today went but not ready to give up on Sumlin just yet. Tbh I am hoping for Foster or a Foster like hire. I guess I don't get excited over shite like today because I generally can't follow it in real time and wouldn't have been able to today except for the rain causing me to sit in the truck all day. I usually am 2 or 3 days behind so I just don't get upset like I said I don't blame anyone for being pissed I just can't get that way over something I have absolutely no control or say over.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:42 pm to
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Seems to me that says that Babcock himself has declined interviews, not that he's forbidden Foster from talking.



I could see that from the quote, but the background is that the AD is new (so no way the AD interviews somewhere) and the article is all about Bud Foster.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:43 pm to
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Maybe. I am disappointed with how today went but not ready to give up on Sumlin just yet. Tbh I am hoping for Foster or a Foster like hire. I guess I don't get excited over shite like today because I generally can't follow it in real time and wouldn't have been able to today except for the rain causing me to sit in the truck all day. I usually am 2 or 3 days behind so I just don't get upset like I said I don't blame anyone for being pissed I just can't get that way over something I have absolutely no control or say over.


You are a wise man.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:46 pm to
From tarp. Dumpster fire mode engaged
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Based on what we learned early Wednesday evening, we were told that barring unforeseen circumstances we expected former Florida defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin to assume the same role at Texas A&M and former Michigan defensive coordinator Greg Mattison to join the A&M staff in some capacity. At that point in time, A&M was preparing the paperwork for its eventual submission to the board of regents which included a buyout of an existing A&M contract and details on apparently incorporating Mattison into the staff.
However, during this time, A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin was under the impression that he had a shot at landing veteran LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis. As a result, Sumlin not make a move on Durkin at that time, a decision that would have gut wrenching consequences for the A&M program.
A&M was considered the leader for five star Mesquite Poteet Malik Jefferson who was making a decision today. Jefferson had in home visits from Texas and UCLA last week in addition to taking an official visit to UCLA. Both schools probably took the opportunity to hammer A&M about its lack of a defensive coordinator which raised a significant question about the Aggies in Jefferson’s mind.
As a result, when Jefferson talked to Sumlin Wednesday night, he wanted to know who the defensive coordinator was going to be but Sumlin wouldn’t tell him. Jefferson reportedly took this as a matter of trust between himself and Sumlin and it didn’t help matters that going on a month after dismissing Mark Snyder that A&M hadn’t gotten anyone for the position.
Thus, Jefferson (who had told others in the 2015 class a while back that he was coming to A&M) wound up choosing Texas over A&M and UCLA this morning. The repercussions of his decision were felt immediately as five star defensive tackle Daylon Mack (who had played a large role in attempting to secure Jefferson) decommitted from the Aggies. In addition, the confidence that other highly rated members of the class had in the program and in each other as a class became much more tenuous which may have put the class as a whole at risk.
And quite honestly, it probably all could have been avoided if Sumlin simply would have simply decided that he had a good defensive coordinator in Durkin (who is well thought of in SEC circles as both a coach and recruiter) and given his name to Jefferson. Instead, Sumlin apparently decided to see what he could do with Chavis. We’ve talked to people both inside and outside of LSU who told us that Chavis had indeed made contact over a week ago. However, Chavis apparently has already told people at LSU that he’s staying and another neutral person also told us that he would not be leaving. For one thing, Chavis makes $1.3 million at LSU and has been extended by the Tigers through the 2015 season. He doesn’t have to recruit and we’ve been told that if he had the opportunity to leave it would probably be for some place closer to the Carolinas where he’s originally from. In addition, why would Chavis want to coach at A&M when two essential prospects such as Jefferson and Mack may wind up elsewhere (and Chavis is competing strongly for Mack)?
Sumlin wanted total control of the A&M program and he’s been given carte blanche to run all aspects of the program and to make the defensive coordinator hire. Unfortunately, because of that, everything that’s happened in the past 48 hours is his responsibility.
In fact, what’s become apparent is that Sumlin has not made very good decisions about managing either situations or people related to the A&M program. Some of those issues have only come to light because of Jefferson’s very public decision to select Texas but they have been there beneath the surface during Sumlin’s tenure and also during the defensive coordinator search itself.
Sumlin’s desire to place a high emphasis on getting a “name” or make a “splash hire” at the defensive coordinator position means that A&M has chased people like Chavis, Will Muschamp, and Bud Foster even though they never had a realistic shot at those coaches. It’s a decision that’s inexplicable for the simple reason that in that no one (either Sumlin or the people above him) apparently seemed to have a feel for what was realistic in terms of whom to hire even though Snyder has been gone since at least the Alabama game and possibly even before that. However, it’s also inexplicable A&M was vulnerable with Jefferson because he was an early enrollee, had other schools pounding on them right up until he made a decision, and for whatever reason no sensed the danger that underlay that scenario.
Also, we’ve been told by multiple that Sumlin’s reputation among defensive coaches does not match his reputation among Aggies. For example, he is considered an up tempo offensive coach whose style of play does not lend itself to playing good defense or protecting defenses via time of possession.
In addition, the program as a whole is considered to lack discipline by outsiders and potential hires. For example, A&M reportedly wants a receivers’ coach who can get the most out of a unit that underachieved this season but there’s got to be consequences enforced on players by people above the position coach in order to make that happen. If there’s no consequences for the players, then it doesn’t matter what the position coach wants.
(By the way, we’ve been told but we haven’t verified it that former Houston head coach Tony Levine has talked to A&M about joining the staff. That’s probably one reason that we haven’t heard anything on former Texas and Oklahoma assistant Darrell Wyatt in recent days and perhaps why he hasn’t heard from Sumlin).
Sumlin wants to be a CEO and delegate items and people to his assistants but there are some things that you simply have to deal with in a timely manner or cannot delegate. We’ve talked about discipline but that starts with the head coach, not the position coaches.
In addition, communication is an issue as Jefferson himself referenced. There was a press release yesterday that offensive line coach B.J. Anderson would not coaching in A&M’s bowl game. We had heard back during the season that Anderson possibly would not be retained. If that was the case, then the time to announce his departure would be coincide with that of Snyder’s immediately after the season or after the bowl game or even signing day. Instead, a press release eventually has to be put out a few hours after a press conference with the head coach for the bowl game. Not only that, recruits were not informed prior to the press release that Anderson was gone.
Again, that goes back to communication and trust. There was no need for the situation for the situation to be handled like that (although this part was lost in the joy over Anderson’s departure). The fact that Anderson was not going to be retained or could not be retained (and he would have been under contract until after the bowl game) means that the situation was not properly handed internally or communicated to others both inside and outside of the program.
Up until this point in time, Sumlin’s recruiting and public persona have managed to overcome his inability to make the right hires, maintain discipline within the program, and communicate with people about the program. Now, with the loss of Jefferson, the decommitment of Mack, and the defensive coordinator position still unfilled, those issues are now out in the open and both Sumlin and the people above him has to deal with them.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:49 pm to
Oh this is gonna be bad. Tarp just had to throw Chavis' name into this shite.

frick me. I haven't felt like melting so bad since the fran years.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:52 pm to
Whatever, hindsight is 20/20. If he somehow gets chevis then everyone is saying Malik who? Also billy was saying he took time on Anderson to make sure he had a place to go first since they are very close. Seems like a really negative update, I'm sure the reality is somewhere in the middle
Posted by SwaggerCopter
H TINE HOL IT DINE
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:52 pm to
Sumlin is about to lose all support. This next season is going to be comically bad.
Posted by Iosh
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

However, during this time, A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin was under the impression that he had a shot at landing veteran LSU defensive coordinator John Chavis. As a result, Sumlin not make a move on Durkin at that time, a decision that would have gut wrenching consequences for the A&M program.
How the frick do you fall for that?
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 3:57 pm to
Too arrogant for his own good. Chavis gamed him the frick up off the field too. I was half jokingly melting before but I have little confidence Sumlin will take us where we need to go. And we get fricked again by a large buyout
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60119 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:00 pm to
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If he somehow gets chevis then everyone is saying Malik who?


Do you really think there was a remote chance of this happening? The play Chavis and LSU is obvious even to us fans. Delay the decision and lead us on so they can neg recruit us on it. How this staff could be so dumb is beyond me
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:05 pm to
"I know you're about to hire someone and lock up these five-star recruits, but please hold off and listen to me, an already extremely well-paid coordinator at your largest in-conference rival for said recruits. I'm totally open to the idea of joining you even though I've turned down multiple Power 5 head-coaching offers for many years now. Just need to think on it until, oh, a few hours after the recruits' deadline. Promise!"
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 4:07 pm
Posted by Ash'sProstheticHand
Member since Nov 2012
1146 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:32 pm to
That tarp story is ridiculous if true. That's some game of thrones cold shite. Showing fake interest to drag the hire out to screw shite up with a recruit... Wow
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:35 pm to
everyone is saying how do you fall for that, but why do you assume that Sumlin is an idiot and just fell for a pie in the sky thing? What if it was actually real, then when that comes out and he didn't go for it and we get 2 guys tons of people were bashing a few days ago everyone flips out and asks why we didn't get a big name.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
13840 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:39 pm to
Keep pumping that sunshine.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:39 pm to
quote:

but why do you assume that Sumlin is an idiot and just fell for a pie in the sky thing?


Because the guy wouldn't go to Georgia or Texas in the past. What makes us different?
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145085 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:42 pm to
And Kevin is stupid for falling for it
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79988 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:44 pm to
How would someone who:

-Had a 28 year old kid calling plays
-Had an offensive line coach that can't teach his players to run block
-Let a safety string him along only to bolt as soon as Yates left for BOISE STATE
-Didn't make the decision to fire Mark Snyder until 4 games AFTER 0-59

fall for that?

Gee, I don't know.
Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:45 pm to
I don't know, but neither do you or anyone. No one knows what information he got or what conversations were had, that's my only point. I'm not pumping sunshine, if we end up with mattison and durkin which we could have had 3 days ago plus the two 5 star recruits, obviously that is a big blow. But I don't fault Sumlin for swinging for the fences and everyone saying "man what a chump" doesn't actually know that for a fact, that's my only point.

I get we're upset but sorry if I'm not going to buy into all this waterboy "oh no we suck again" crap that is going around. Not sunshine pumping, just trying to be realistic. Just seems like everyone decided to jump off a cliff, I'm taking the drink some whiskey and ponder the days events route and hope the rest of the offseason is better. Who knows what recruits the new DC and staff will bring in? Who knows what kind of level of improvements they bring next year?

As I said before, even as a new fan I saw some terrible shite go down the past 10 years. Fran and the chokejobs and underdeveloped talent, Sherman and those come from ahead losses and the LSU cotton bowl blowout. If you think we aren't ahead of that, even after these events, not sure what to tell you. I'm aware he needs to win big games and we need to start competing, but honestly I thought the first 3 years we would get our asses beat and be the Iowa State of the SEC.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 4:48 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:46 pm to
Sumlin must seriously be retarded. How the frick do you fall for something THAT obvious? Holy shite! He is the village idiot.
This post was edited on 12/19/14 at 4:47 pm
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79988 posts
Posted on 12/19/14 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

If you think we aren't ahead of that, even after these events, not sure what to tell you. I'm aware he needs to win big games and we need to start competing, but honestly I thought the first 3 years we would get our asses beat and be the Iowa State of the SEC.


Sherman never got shut out by anyone, FWIW.

Here's an obscure meaningless stat.

3+ score losses under each of our coaches.

Francione - 17 (out of 28)
Sherman - 13 (out of 25)
Sumlin - 3 (out of 11)
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