re: Lets Talk Politics

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In the end Trump is still just a popular sideshow act. He is entirely unelectable, but God it would be hilarious watching him troll this great land for 4 years in the White House.

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You may get your wish, but probably not

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None of it matters. You will all kneel before the hilldog.

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Because this is likely true.

Sure there will be entertainment value, but this is deciding the leader of the free world, not another TV show. We need serious debates on policy and ideas, not more nicknames and constant jabs back and forth.

It is frightening that the people have chosen Trump and Clinton as the best 2 candidates for president.

Called it

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We need serious debates on policy and ideas, not more nicknames and constant jabs back and forth.

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Sure, but we aren't going to get what we need. We are going to get what we deserve, which is two jokers battling each other with gossip rag talking points. If we as a country really wanted a debate on the issues it would be Bernie vs Cruz, but we want a political version of Survivor and we will get it.

I chose to see the silver lining of how fun it will be rather than be upset about the crappy final result that at this point no one can control.

1. The polls numbers have shown at least a half dozen that match up better again Hilldawg than Trump.

2. I think the only proof is that most of the republican base is moving away from conservatism and more towards populist.

If you can't get elected you can't implement anything


Trump can get elected

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2. I think the only proof is that most of the republican base is moving away from conservatism and more towards populist.

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Cruz's problem was a lack of charisma, not his values. In fact he probably did better than he should have given his charisma, which shows the power of actually being conservative.

I think the real issue the Republican Party is facing is a breakdown between the parts of the party. Since 1980 the GOP has been composed of social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, neo-conservatives, and some moderates who appreciate being strong on national security. Of these groups for the longest time the social conservatives set the agenda, because social conservative issues did better than anything at motivating people to vote. Sometimes you had neocons that pretended to be social conservatives because they are pretty easy to enlist (either Bush), but for the most part social conservatives set the Republican agenda and created the litmus test.

But all of a sudden due to losing the culture war the social conservatives (aka the "moral majority" or "the religious right") find themselves to be more a liability than a benefit, and other parts of the GOP like the neocons (Rubio), fiscal conservatives (somewhat Trump), and moderates (Kasich) grab at the brass ring. Trump winning the nomination doesn't prove conservatism (as in all of it) is dead, it just proves social conservatism and a strong tie to Christianity is played out.

Trump himself isn't some sort of longterm trend, he is a blip. He is a backlash. A whole generation (the Greatest One) hates being told that how they were raised was wrong, and so they are acting out one last time via Trump. The 2024 presidential election will certainly see a generational shift, and it might be a fiscal conservative to has the most relatable message after 16 years of Democrat rule.

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I've avoided this thread but I'll just drop by to say support Gary Johnson. The politic process is a joke and the two options suck. Even if you're not 100% on board with Libertarianism, a decent number for him could change the process in the future.

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I was planning on it. IF they don't get 5% off the vote the party will lose ballot access.

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if Texas is even remotely close, I'm voting Hillary. frick me

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I think the real issue the Republican Party is facing is a breakdown between the parts of the party. Since 1980 the GOP has been composed of social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, neo-conservatives, and some moderates who appreciate being strong on national security. Of these groups for the longest time the social conservatives set the agenda, because social conservative issues did better than anything at motivating people to vote. Sometimes you had neocons that pretended to be social conservatives because they are pretty easy to enlist (either Bush), but for the most part social conservatives set the Republican agenda and created the litmus test.

But all of a sudden due to losing the culture war the social conservatives (aka the "moral majority" or "the religious right") find themselves to be more a liability than a benefit, and other parts of the GOP like the neocons (Rubio), fiscal conservatives (somewhat Trump), and moderates (Kasich) grab at the brass ring. Trump winning the nomination doesn't prove conservatism (as in all of it) is dead, it just proves social conservatism and a strong tie to Christianity is played out.

Trump himself isn't some sort of longterm trend, he is a blip. He is a backlash. A whole generation (the Greatest One) hates being told that how they were raised was wrong, and so they are acting out one last time via Trump. The 2024 presidential election will certainly see a generational shift, and it might be a fiscal conservative to has the most relatable message after 16 years of Democrat rule.

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Trump is not a fiscal conservative. Not in the slightest. He's not a social conservative, either, though he made clumsy motions towards that with the whole punishing women who get abortions thing.

Trump's nomination says nothing about policy because his voters ultimately didn't care about policy.