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Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:15 pm to greenbastard
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:15 pm to greenbastard
Rubio's not my first choice, but after glitching hard on that point, he did recover later in the debate. It's obvious he wanted to drive that one point home, and got stuck in the delivery. But despite that, and despite what Christie charged, Rubio is not just memorized bits. His answer on abortion was terrific. And if I weren't so concerned he would open the floodgates of the boarder and legalize/citizenize millions of new democrats, thereby making legal abortion even more entrenched, I'd be a lot more comfortable with him.
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:42 pm to Mirthomatic
Trump still looks like the only one that's electable
Posted on 2/7/16 at 2:57 pm to Old Sarge
Trump is the LEAST electable. He's got a sizable chunk of supporters in the primary, but that masks the huge opposition to him in the general. Looking at the national polls, between Trump/Cruz/Rubio, Trump is the only one who consistently loses to BOTH Hillary and Sanders.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 8:22 am to Mirthomatic
After 36 votes (that is total votes) we have a 3 way tie for the lead in NH. Cruz, Trump, Kasich all we 24.3%. 
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:54 am to Mirthomatic
Trump will get crossover blue collar Democrat voters, which makes him most electable. That's not being taken into account.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:55 am to Cooter Davenport
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Trump will get crossover blue collar Democrat voters, which makes him most electable. That's not being taken into account.
In New Hampshire or in the general?
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:57 am to CowTownReb
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My politics is probably more similar to Barry Goldwater, than any of the new bunch. I don't like the government telling people what they can ingest or eat, or who it can marry, or what it can do in the bedroom, or how it can spend its time, or what it can grow on its private land, or anything like that.
I love reading guys like Thomas Paine.
What scares me about the religious right is that I don't want anyone forcing me to follow their religious interpretation of the Bible (or Koran or anything else). I don't want that door opened. Leave it shut, and let people self-determine their own paths.
Of course, I grew up in a traditional Texas household that was innately skeptical of all things government. Back in the day, there was a healthy skepticism of politicians, but today -- the masses have been snookered into believing that one side is good and one side is bad, when the truth is... they're both two sides of the same coin.
Big government Republicans are no different than big government Democrats. They just choose to spend the money in different areas of government. But instead of using the cash-and-carry model of liberals, they cut taxes. They're tax-cut-and-spend, which is actually even more fiscally irresponsible.
This is me.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 10:57 am to Farmer1906
In the general.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 11:03 am to Cooter Davenport
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In the general.
I would wager more people will stay home then he gets crossed over. Same think happened with Romney. He won independents and still got blown out.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 11:03 am to Mirthomatic
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And if I weren't so concerned he would open the floodgates of the boarder and legalize/citizenize millions of new democrats, thereby making legal abortion even more entrenched, I'd be a lot more comfortable with him.
You primary concern with open borders is abortion and not the fact that those people are parasites who are coming here to live off of our entitlement system and swell the welfare rolls while going on criminal rampages!? That's the problem with the Republican party. Instead of focusing on issues that people actually care about it is constantly taking its eye off the ball to obsess over religious issues like abortion, which isn't driving anyone to the polls but the evangelical wing, which hijacked the party and continuously drives it into a ditch.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 11:06 am to Farmer1906
Trump is not Romney. Romney wasn't exciting to anyone and had zero personality.
I am NOT saying that as a supporter of Trump myself. Just looking at it without bias - there are a lot of blue collar union-type white folks who tend to vote Democrat who legitimately like Trump. His protectionist trade policies and bombastic unapologetic attitude appeal to them. Nobody legitimately liked Romney.
I am NOT saying that as a supporter of Trump myself. Just looking at it without bias - there are a lot of blue collar union-type white folks who tend to vote Democrat who legitimately like Trump. His protectionist trade policies and bombastic unapologetic attitude appeal to them. Nobody legitimately liked Romney.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/9/16 at 11:13 am to Farmer1906
I also disagree that independents really exist. People naturally favor one type of thinking or another and thus naturally gravitate to one party or the other, it's just that a lot of people answer pollsters wanting to maintain their personal independence/aloofness and be non-committal and non-confrontational or "cool" by saying they are "independents". But the reality is that, of the people who actually vote, 99% of them tend to always vote for one party or the other. Of the so-called independents who actually vote, if you ask them who they voted for the last election and the one before that and the one before that, you will see that they are for all intents and purposes solid Rs or solid Ds in how they vote, they just SAY they are independents. It's the biggest misconception in politics. There is such a thing as a crossover voter - the factory worker in Ohio who previously always voted D who crossed over to vote for Reagan, for example - but the take-home point there is that they always voted D before - not that they were some "independent" who voted D, then R, then D, then D, then R - because despite the commonly-held notion that such voters exist to be "captured", there's really no such voter.
The reality is that each party has a pool of people naturally aligned with them who may or may not actually go vote depending on who the candidate is with no separate pool of independents. The race is typically won, not by capturing the mythical independents, but by getting the people naturally aligned with you to identify with your candidate, like him, and be motivated to actually show up and vote for him. That's why Barack won and McCain and Romney lost. Barack's people liked him and came out. Most people on the right dislike McCain and Romney just didn't move the needle, so a lot of them stayed home. The "third way" is when one party has an unappealing candidate and you have one who shines so bright he actually appeals to traditional voters of the other party (Reagan) and you get crossovers in a landslide. But those are crossovers, not independents. When that candidate is gone they will go back to consistently voting for the party they did before.
The reality is that each party has a pool of people naturally aligned with them who may or may not actually go vote depending on who the candidate is with no separate pool of independents. The race is typically won, not by capturing the mythical independents, but by getting the people naturally aligned with you to identify with your candidate, like him, and be motivated to actually show up and vote for him. That's why Barack won and McCain and Romney lost. Barack's people liked him and came out. Most people on the right dislike McCain and Romney just didn't move the needle, so a lot of them stayed home. The "third way" is when one party has an unappealing candidate and you have one who shines so bright he actually appeals to traditional voters of the other party (Reagan) and you get crossovers in a landslide. But those are crossovers, not independents. When that candidate is gone they will go back to consistently voting for the party they did before.
This post was edited on 2/9/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:40 pm to Cooter Davenport
Trump is not the most electable in the general.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 12:59 pm to Cooter Davenport
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I am NOT saying that as a supporter of Trump myself. Just looking at it without bias - there are a lot of blue collar union-type white folks who tend to vote Democrat who legitimately like Trump. His protectionist trade policies and bombastic unapologetic attitude appeal to them. Nobody legitimately liked Romney.
My point still stands. The cross over voters may happen for Trump for the reasons stated. But the fact he still will not bring out the base. He's entertaining so people will watch, but I don't think it will drive them to the polls.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 4:16 pm to Cooter Davenport
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You primary concern with open borders is abortion and not the fact that those people are parasites who are coming here to live off of our entitlement system and swell the welfare rolls while going on criminal rampages!? That's the problem with the Republican party. Instead of focusing on issues that people actually care about it is constantly taking its eye off the ball to obsess over religious issues like abortion, which isn't driving anyone to the polls but the evangelical wing, which hijacked the party and continuously drives it into a ditch.
Abortion isn't a religious issue, and I'm not an evangelical. Abortion is a civil rights issue. And if this weren't an issue that "people actually care about", then how could the "evangelical wing" have "hijacked the party"?
The answer is clearly many people DO care about it, and your denial of that fact doesn't make it any less true. You can stomp your feet like a child and rail against those unreasonable evangelicals/pro-lifers and their insistence on pursuing policy priorities that don't match your own, but they/we are a large, crucial part of the conservative coalition. You aren't winning anything without it.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 4:33 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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Trump is not the most electable in the general.
Thanks, I was beginning to worry about this board. I've never once voted for a Democrat and I'm old and have had plenty of opportunities to. But Trump is a guy who could make me vote for Hillary Clinton. And I detest Ms. Clinton.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 4:36 pm to finestfirst79
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But Trump is a guy who could make me vote for Hillary Clinton. And I detest Ms. Clinton.
WOW
Posted on 2/9/16 at 6:08 pm to texag7
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WOW
Just a guess, but my guess is Texas is so hardcore Republican that a lot of you guys don't realize how Trump is perceived by most of the country. Personally I'm still trying to get my head around how that guy is still in it.
But... I've been wrong before. A lot.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 6:10 pm to texag7
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WOW
I hold the same view.
Donald Trump is a business man. He's not running for President in order to help America, he's running to help himself, his businesses and his buddies. He's more than willing to screw the general public if it makes him richer (see the Atlantic City Casino parking lot). This guy doesn't give a shite about all the uneducated scared idiots who root for his stance on Mexicans (Go back to Mexico), the Muslims (theyre all terroristic loving terrorists), or Women (get back in the kitchen and make me a samich'!). As a matter of fact, I don't even think he believes his own rethoric, but he knows it gets him to the front of polls (for now). He's been historically liberal and has been a democratic supporter right up until Obama got elected. Yet somehow, his supporters refuse to believe that because they believe he will make their cities less brown and their workplace less feminine.
He is using fear and hate to gather support from the radical right. Unfortunately for him, he's topped out. As Candidates drop out, its unlikely those supporters will support Trump and will likely head to support another candidate. There aren't any more radical rights to add to his campaign.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 6:10 pm to finestfirst79
President Trump
Y'all better get used to it
Y'all better get used to it
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