re: Jimbo Fisher Staff Thread

oregon rarely had the talent and depth in the trenches to play any differently than they did.

kelly did a great smoke and mirrors job at oregon. also loves to run the football, when he can.

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i think chip's biggest issue with recruiting was that it's hard as hell in oregon.

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Yes. The problem there is - ALL of your talent comes from not just California but Southern California and Texas. You basically have to cheat to get even middling talent to come to Oregon. You get no "gimme" in-state, grew-up-loving-you talent or legacies. You have to claw with the country's biggest programs for kids that are rightfully theirs just to win the odd kid here and there and then because that's always only going to produce middling results, you have to scheme the rest of the way and then eventually get busted for cheating. No one would like that long-term. It would be a frustrating existence, especially when you have to watch USC, UCLA, Texas, Texas A&M just standing there practically having the kids you have to cheat to get just walking up and volunteering to play for them and then they mostly accomplish nothing with those kids.

Schiano was widely regarded as a douche here in Tampa and his record is nothing special. Les Miles couldn't do it at LSU with his own players, why would we want him here?

We need an up and comer that is totally driven and defense oriented to win in the SEC. DJ Durkin if he has a good year and PJ Fleck, likewise. We need a younger Saban, Meyer or Jimbo Fisher that is totally consumed with winning and never satisfied with mediocrity. Listen to Durkin and Fleck...they have that driven, all consuming desire to win that we need and will be elite P5 coaches somewhere soon.

i agree, the jury is still out on durkin. that said, he is a good dc.

same boat as morris on the other side of the ball. both of em need to show something this year.

if morris wins 8 games this year i could see hiring him. huge rebuild he inherited.

would still take kelly, mullen and gundy over anyone else we could realistically get.

gundy might not even be an option. if kelly wants to coach again there aren't many places better than a&m as far as potential goes.

i think we could certainly get mullen. i don't think we'll have much competition, mcelwain at uf will get another year at the least. nd might be looking for a new head coach after this year, that would be about it.

as of now, i would put mullen as the most realistic candidate. kelly would be my top choice, but not sure if he wants to coach again. gundy already gets close to making the playoffs every few years where he's at.

What am I not seeing on MacIntyre? Defensive background, NFL experience, P5 experience. If he has a good year at Colorado again that's 2 straight complete turnarounds. Plus unlike some other guys who have longer track records as a head coach, we would be a clear upgrade from his current spot so we wouldn't need to way overpay.

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They don't have equal footing with us on our recruiting grounds, facilities, support, exposure, or any other tangible factor.

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And what has any of that ever done for us?

The national perception - fans, coaches, media - is that A&M and VT are about the same level of program. And perception is reality when it comes to that subject.

You're obviously one of the people I'm talking about - the overly Aggie Aggie who thinks we're on the same level as programs like OU, Michigan, OSU, USC, Texas, Alabama, when reality is we're just not seen that way outside of the Aggie Bubble. We're a middling program on the level of VT. We just happen to have a lot of money that we never, ever manage to turn into wins.

it's an easier path at vt. same reason why i don't think gundy would come here. fuente is in a real good spot.

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Uninformed fan perception doesn't matter when it comes to coaching hires.

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It's not just a fan perception. It's a nearly universal opinion outside of the Aggie Bubble, including coaches. Let's not pretend that coaches are immune from somewhat illogical opinions. They're generally not geniuses and most of them aren't that smart at all. A&M is a meh program and has been forever. That has consequences in terms of everyone's perception outside of the Aggie Bubble.

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If we hired "our" beamer, with this coaching hire then the sky's the limit. We haven't been able to do it yet, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.

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We DID hire our Beamer. His name was Jackie Wayne Sherrill. But in typical Aggie fashion we didn't have the guts or the intelligence to stand behind him. That's part of why we are who we are (mediocre forever): we ALWAYS Aggie it up. I see ZERO reason to expect that will ever change and people outside of our fanbase (aka those living in reality) don't either.

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Jackie Sherill: Young gun, never won anything

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Compiled a 50-9-1 record over 5 seasons including 3 11-1 seasons and a 4-1 bowl record at an INDEPENDENT.

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Slocum: Washed up has-been

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Slocum was 45 years old when he was hired as the A&M head coach and had never been a head coach prior.

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We will go with a Washed Up Has Been this time.

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Les Miles, Chip Kelly, Craig Bohl, Greg Schiano, Tommy Tuberville, Mack Brown, Bo Pelini, Bob Stoops, etc. all fit that description.