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Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:32 pm to
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:32 pm to
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they will probably wait until after baylor's "inquiry" is over because they will get it during discovery.

absolutely let the feds do the heavy lifting

I just meant it's not as cut and dried as Baylor bad, civil suit will get everyone fired. Or Baylor will just pay it off. Until discovery, we really can't begin to predict an outcome
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:39 pm to
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I don't think Baylor will do anything to Briles over this. They may or may not fire some low level administrator. They will just ride it out and write a big check to the victim to try to make this all go away as quietly as possible.

Victim may get bought off, sure. But no amount of money is going to make the feds ignore what happened here

I honestly think if they smell blood, everyone involved in this process will burn. If there is a whiff of coercion, a whiff of cover up, well, Katy bar the door. This case has virtually everything you'd want as a precedent.
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:49 pm to
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it's an easy out and talking point but I haven't heard anything to suggest he favored the defendant or Baylor in any way



Maybe but read the post above yours. I've been in more than my share of courtrooms and not once has an outburst of that kind not led to some action from the presiding judge, either clearing the courtroom or at least removing the person who spoke up.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 9:53 pm to
Yes, and also if the internal inquiry is done poorly (a second time) or somehow contradicts the evidence that would come out during discovery, Baylor will be toast
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 10:00 pm to
I responded to that one too. It's on the last page.

Since it was my color y'all are responding to, and I have no idea how the judge responded, I believe you are jumping to a conclusion here about what the judge did or didn't do. It was definitely an oddity but one completely outside the ability of the bench to control
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 8/23/15 at 10:04 pm to
I just find it odd is all, but then again it's Waco and nothing suprises me about that place.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 12:12 am to
truly the best thing to come from this upcoming election

LINK
Posted by Felonious Punk
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:27 am to
Sometimes I weep for America, and sometimes I'm amazed by her. I'm not sure where I'm at on this one.
Posted by TexasAg13
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:48 am to
Well, I hope everyone has a job by the end of today
Posted by BadAgg7
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 8:49 am to
taking the grassroots, word of mouth campaign strategy to a new level.
Posted by SafetySam
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 9:44 am to


Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:21 pm to
honestly if my choices are Hillary or the Donald, Deez Nuts has my vote
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:37 pm to
The fact that he got 9% of the vote is a win in of itself
Posted by BadAgg7
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 1:38 pm to
where does deez nutz stand on selling out his country in foreign trade and making the gubmint bigger so it can "take care of us and help us out"?
Posted by theGarnetWay
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 6:28 pm to
Does the Dan Patrick show come on any station in CStat? Can never seem to find it if it does.

eta: Not sure how many of you are current students but Sports Passes are to be claimed this week. Don't forget. Picked mine up today.
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 6:30 pm
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 8/24/15 at 6:45 pm to
Dan is on NBCSports network and Audience channel


Channel 243 if you have SuddenLink
This post was edited on 8/24/15 at 6:45 pm
Posted by AgBQ00
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 12:27 pm to
I really think Tuesdays are worse than Mondays.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:03 pm to
I know many of you are bored with the legalities of the Baylor case. But for those interested, this Texas Tribune article does a pretty good job of summing up the situation.

For the most part, Baylor has been successful at changing the narrative to whether or not the rape could have been prevented. That's murky water and where Baylor is least culpable

The aftermath and investigation, and then the indictment down the road, all leave little wiggle room in saying Baylor had a massive systemic failure that appears to have placed football success over the safety and well-being of their student body.

This is their responsibility under the law
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Your school must have an established procedure for handling complaints of sex discrimination, sexual harassment or sexual violence. Every school must have a Title IX Coordinator who manages complaints. The Coordinator’s contact information should be publicly accessible on the school’s website. If you decide to file a complaint, your school must promptly investigate it regardless of whether you report to the police (though a police investigation may very briefly delay the school’s investigation if law enforcement is gathering evidence). A school may not wait for the conclusion of a criminal proceeding and should conclude its own investigation within a semester’s time (the 2011 Office for Civil Rights Title IX guidance proposes 60 days as an appropriate time-frame). The school should use a “preponderance of the evidence” standard to determine the outcome of a complaint, meaning discipline should result if it is more likely than not that discrimination, harassment and/or violence occurred. The final decision should be provided to you and the accused in writing. Both of you have the right to appeal the decision.

The article sums up the problems post-indictment
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But experts said nothing should prevent schools from re-opening investigations as new information emerges. It’s unclear whether Baylor did that after criminal charges were filed against Ukwuachu. But he clearly wasn't kicked off campus after he was charged with rape. He eventually earned his degree from Baylor, and as Texas Monthly reported, an assistant football coach publicly stated as recently as June that he expected Ukwuachu to play football again for the Bears. (Athletes taking graduate-level courses are still eligible to play football.)

And it's pretty shocking to learn that the Title IX office at Baylor didn't eveb exist til after this incident. That's a clear cut violation
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But those efforts weren’t fully in place when Ukwuachu’s case began. Baylor’s Title IX coordinator, Patty Crawford, didn’t start her job until more than a year after the rape. The 2014 post advertising her job opening acknowledged that Baylor didn’t have an office focused solely on Title IX at the time.

“Title IX responsibilities have been managed by a variety of individuals in several university offices, with Human Resources having primary coordinating responsibilities,” the post said.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:14 pm to
I think everyone outside of that shite stain can agree that Baylor was beyond disgraceful in how it handled the situation but is anything really going to happen here? I just have a hard time believing anything will
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:28 pm to
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I think everyone outside of that shite stain can agree that Baylor was beyond disgraceful in how it handled the situation but is anything really going to happen here?


Sure, years from now when Baylor sucks again and they beat their chest about the Golden Briles Era we will be all too happy to add the *enabled rapists asterisk to their story. Just like sips love to label our 90's success as the "Fed Ex Era."

I personally don't think they will face any real punishment. The whole thing feels like Shaggybevo when JFF almost got caught signing stuff, they predicted our death penalty and in reality he was benched half a game. When your institution graduates half the judges and lawyers in the state you are insulated from the full power of any legal process in a third world country kind of way. Heck we see that just in how things have been handled to this point. Any lawsuit will get settled in a way that keeps the real dirt sealed, and the world will move on. IMHO and only IMHO.
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