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Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
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he definitely has problems with arrogance
I've noticed this in interviews going back several years
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Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
In his defense, he has adjusted his philosophies countless times to appease our big donors, who by all accounts are complete, meddling idiots. If you want to blame people, they are more to blame than Sumlin without question.
And you want to put the QB transfers on Sumlin, but Sumlin (1) didn't think Kyle Allen was the answer and didn't think he worked well in our system, and (2) was completely against Kyler Murray and tried to tell the donors he was poison in early 2014.
When Sumlin has been left alone, he has made things happen like Chavis (or the backup plan DJ Durkin which would have proven to be a homerun hire as well), and when Sumlin's hand has been forced things like Kyler Murray have happened.
And you want to put the QB transfers on Sumlin, but Sumlin (1) didn't think Kyle Allen was the answer and didn't think he worked well in our system, and (2) was completely against Kyler Murray and tried to tell the donors he was poison in early 2014.
When Sumlin has been left alone, he has made things happen like Chavis (or the backup plan DJ Durkin which would have proven to be a homerun hire as well), and when Sumlin's hand has been forced things like Kyler Murray have happened.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:02 am to Warrior Poet
This is where I don't know what to think. Is he resting on his laurels, or do we have powerful meddlers behind the scenes who have caused him to throw up his hands and just say F-it (while continuing to cash the checks)?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:07 am to SafetySam
Probably a bit of both. Our meddlers are just terrible I can tell you this with first hand knowledge.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:24 am to Warrior Poet
I don't think the donors forced Sumlin to hire Mark Snyder, did they? Or promote Clarence to OC? Or hire Jake Spavital? Was it the donors who forced Sumlin to recruit and sign Kenny Hill? Were they to blame when he flamed out? Did they force Sumlin to recruit and sign Kyle Allen? Did they force Sumlin to run a system in which Allen couldn't work well?
I'll accept the proposition that Kyler was forced on Sumlin by the donors, but would they have done that if we had actually improving as a program, instead of regressing?
I give Sumlin some credit for Chavis (and backup Durkin/Foster). But saying he was left alone kinda ignores that we made Chavis one of the best paid coordinators in the game. Does Chavis come here if we don't open the wallet big time? And can we open the wallet big time without the support of the donors?
Look, I wanted Sumlin to succeed. I still want him to succeed. I'd love for him to turn things around next year. But EVERY school deals with big money donors. And ours aren't going away. If Sumlin isn't able to handle them, then that's a very serious problem.
The bottom line is the HC has to bear the responsibility of the success or failure of the program.
I'll accept the proposition that Kyler was forced on Sumlin by the donors, but would they have done that if we had actually improving as a program, instead of regressing?
I give Sumlin some credit for Chavis (and backup Durkin/Foster). But saying he was left alone kinda ignores that we made Chavis one of the best paid coordinators in the game. Does Chavis come here if we don't open the wallet big time? And can we open the wallet big time without the support of the donors?
Look, I wanted Sumlin to succeed. I still want him to succeed. I'd love for him to turn things around next year. But EVERY school deals with big money donors. And ours aren't going away. If Sumlin isn't able to handle them, then that's a very serious problem.
The bottom line is the HC has to bear the responsibility of the success or failure of the program.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:28 am to Mirthomatic
Speaking of Snyder, Roger on another thread reiterated a claim I've seen several times, that Sumlin didn't want to fire Snyder. That he was forced to do so. Is this true?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:51 am to Mirthomatic
That's what I've been told, and what several in the know people on Texags and 247 have posted.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:53 am to Roger Klarvin
But did the fat guy with the shitty facial hair say it?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 1:43 am to Roger Klarvin
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That's what I've been told, and what several in the know people on Texags and 247 have posted.
Then that's pretty disturbing. I can understand keeping Snyder after the 2013 season. We did lose a ton of players, and even good coaches can have a bad season. But to follow that up with a 2014 performance that was just as bad... there's really no excuse for standing pat.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 7:47 am to Mirthomatic
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Speaking of Snyder, Roger on another thread reiterated a claim I've seen several times, that Sumlin didn't want to fire Snyder. That he was forced to do so. Is this true?
Sumlin is fiercely loyal to his staff, you are trying to make something out of nothing. I think he wanted to give both Snyder and Spavital opportunities to make changes and retain their jobs. When the time came to make the change, he was able to get two of the best and most respected names in the coaching business (Chavis and Mazzone). You can't get Coaches like Chavis and Mazzone if you are quick to "throw" your assistants under the bus.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:07 am to Chill98
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You can't get Coaches like Chavis and Mazzone if you are quick to "throw" your assistants under the bus.
I agree with this, and it's why I was OK giving Snyder the 2014 season to prove that 2013 was an aberration. But Sumlin doesn't get paid to be loyal to his staff. He gets paid to get results. After 2014, it was clear to all that Snyder wasn't getting the job done. At that point, no one would have thought that letting Snyder go was being quick to throw him under the bus. If Sumlin wanted to retain Snyder out of a sense of loyalty, then his priorities were out of whack. Sumlin's FIRST loyalty should be to the institution paying him $5M a year.
And while I'm sure his loyalty is a selling point when trying to hire coordinators, we can't ignore that Chavis and Mazzone got hefty raises to come here. And Mazzone allegedly wasn't even going to be retained at UCLA.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:23 am to Chill98
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When the time came to make the change, he was able to get two of the best and most respected names in the coaching business (Chavis and Mazzone)
I'll give you Chavis for sure, but Mazzone?
He struck out on that hire. 
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:23 am to Cooter Davenport
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He struck out on that hire.
At least watch a game before you say that.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:25 am to Mirthomatic
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I'll accept the proposition that Kyler was forced on Sumlin by the donors, but would they have done that if we had actually improving as a program, instead of regressing?
Probably. To a certain group of Ags his dad is (was?) a god.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:34 am to Cooter Davenport
He wasn't my first choice but you will eat those words in the fall
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:45 am to Warrior Poet
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He wasn't my first choice but you will eat those words in the fall
I doubt it. You'll eventually learn the folly of expecting anything good out of this program. We just don't have the guts to actually try for and demand excellence anymore. Back when we almost hired Bo and did hire Jackie on up until when we hired Fran away from Bama, we did. I think Fran just broke us physiologically. After that it was Sleepy Sherm and then someone's running buddy, who we still employ even though he's openly derelict when it comes to his job and basically spitting in our faces.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:48 am to Cooter Davenport
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I'll give you Chavis for sure, but Mazzone? He struck out on that hire.
Mazzone was a great hire. I was talking to some Elite 11 guys and they were amazed that we could pull somebody like him to A&M. They also had no idea that Taylor Mazzone was also brought along to be the "Quality Control" coach. That's a "Bama-like" move to pull UCLA's QB coach and make him a quality control coach. I just wish we would have also pulled in Klemm.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:49 am to Cooter Davenport
Damn some of you are miserable, get this off the recruiting thread.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:49 am to Cooter Davenport
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Back when we almost hired Bo and did hire Jackie on up until when we hired Fran away from Bama, we did.
You mean the time our facilities fell so far behind our rivals that RC couldn't hold onto elite recruits despite a ton of success on the field?
I am pretty sure that wasn't our golden era of commitment.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 8:51 am to Cooter Davenport
Jesus 
Self ban is your best course of action at this point
Self ban is your best course of action at this point
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