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Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:59 pm to
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I could write a treatise on it but suffice to say the lack of SEC experience on our initial defensive staff set us back a few years (and I'd say the same about our WR recruiting at times)


Was it really misses though? Or just overreaching with purpose?

I might be clueless, but from my perspective it seems like we put money on riskier bets (both from a fit standpoint and a maturity standpoint) to artificially boost our recruiting in 13 so that way we had the kinda of momentum we needed to have in recruiting to make 14 happen. Isaiah Golden is the poster child for this to me.

Sumlin OBVIOUSLY reads recruiting rankings and is heavily in that scene. He knows the value of perception and momentum in recruiting. I feel like he felt a gamble was better than a warm body, as long as it started to create a perception that we were top recruiting dog in the state by the rankings because that influences future recruits- the no risk top shelf kind.

I could be way off.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63285 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:03 pm to
I think a lot of the DBs were just misses. I can't think of a corner that was kicked off either though I'm probably forgetting someone.


We kind of had to gamble with where we were at depth wise on defense at that point too, though I don't remember Golden being a big character risk. I think his daughter and Claiborne took him under
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:14 pm to
Brice just said miscommunication and that the A&M staff isn't expecting him this weekend. Perroni says his sources are solid, the guys around Awolope think he's coming in, and A&M has definitely been showering Awolope with attention. I have no idea. This is weird.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:21 pm to
Kam Miles - though he's a safety. Someone posted that he asked Sumlin about the Claiborne / Golden situation at a coaches dinner, and Sumlin said that Golden was actually the bad apple and Claiborne was unlucky with his friend selection.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63285 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:22 pm to
Interesting, nevermind then. It always seemed like Claiborne to me.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:27 pm to
It's all hearsay anyway. Only a handful know the actual story. I'm just glad Speedy is still here.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:31 pm to
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to artificially boost our recruiting in 13 so that way we had the kinda of momentum we needed to have in recruiting to make 14 happen

the '13 class was mostly locked in before the '12 season. I think we had something like 22 commits before our first SEC game. We had 8 EEs that class (and we had that many spots to fill so we had to fill them or lose them): Points, Wade, Chevis, Sanders, Stuckey, Sezer, Clear, Jaquay. Those aren't trouble makers or character risks.

Since it's what we know, I'll use the Big 12 as the example. There are good players and well coached teams. But there are few athletic freaks. They also all run the same offense (like 7 of the 10 run a version of Air Raid). So guys like Devante Harris cover guys like Quiv Gonzalez.

And a school like TCU has made a living off of experienced DBs. Guys that are 5th year seniors who maybe lack the ideal size or speed but make up for it with tremendous fundamentals. The SEC is not like that. The best players are gone after 3 years. They aren't the best fundamentally (necessarily), but they are athletic freaks. You go from Lauqan Treadwell to Amari Cooper to Sammie Coates to Malachi Dupre in consecutive weeks. The skill set needed to defend each of those guys can't be taught because you need to be big and fast and agile and technically proficient. Maybe you can match up with Dupre but lack the raw speed to keep up with Cooper. Or the size needed to physically match up with Coates.

LSU has long taken rawer athletes and developed them. They take big fast and physical guys that don't necessarily have the best film but are great athletes. Meanwhile we take undersized guys. We can coach our guys up to be good cover guys but then you play Arkansas and they game plan to make your tiny corners tackle their big RBs. Or you play Auburn or MSU and they try to isolate your tiny corners on their massive WRs. You just can't teach big and fast. A player either has that or they don't.

It's why Vic Davis was playing this year. He may not be ready (and he may never be), but he has the physical skill set. A school like TCU would really struggle with the SECW. Not because they aren't good but because the diversity of skill sets you have to defend is very difficult. And when someone finds a weakness in how to attack you with an elite athlete, the rest will exploit it because everyone in this league has elite athletes. I think Patterson is a great coach but when you are exploiting a physical defect, all the coaching in the world isn't going to fix it.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:43 pm to
Damn, tmc.
Posted by Raoul_Duke
Denton, TX
Member since Nov 2012
756 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:46 pm to
Nice evaluation Tmc. Well put
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
56830 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:13 pm to
quote:

LSU has long taken rawer athletes and developed them. They take big fast and physical guys that don't necessarily have the best film but are great athletes


better believe it
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:14 pm to
Sumlin and Joseph are going in-home with Bussey and Merritt tomorrow. Please God.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
56830 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:16 pm to
Merritt is so damn talented
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:21 pm to
I don't think we've gone out a recruited this hard for a 3 star RB. We usually have zero issues with RB recruiting.
T Williams - 5 star
B Williams - 5 star transfer
C-Mike - 5 star
Gray - 4 star
D Jones - 4 star
M Jones - 4 star
Stephens - 4 star
Goodson - 4 (5?) star
Lane - 4 star

Mix in a few 3 stars that came through like Malena & Caron.

The only really questionable guy we've taken at RB that I can remember was Guyton.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9095 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:24 pm to
I want to flip Martin and Bussey so bad. One of my good friends is a vol and they can be good ppl but are obnoxious as frick as fans go
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:28 pm to
quote:

Sumlin said that Golden was actually the bad apple and Claiborne was unlucky with his friend selection.
That would explain why Claiborne is in FCS and Golden is out of football.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63285 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:28 pm to
Especially Martin. He would probably play right away
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:47 pm to
That was back when we were a running team Don't forget the old school guys like Greg Hill, Leeland, Rodney Thomas, Toombs...

Our current WR recruiting looks like how our RB recruiting used to be.
Posted by Asian Sensation
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2014
742 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:59 pm to
They continue to pull in top recruiting classes with no on-field product to sell. That's just impressive.
Posted by Agforlife
Somewhere in the Brazos Valley
Member since Nov 2012
20102 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:50 pm to
Curtis Dickey is the first really good back that I remember
Posted by dead money
kyle, tx
Member since Feb 2014
1391 posts
Posted on 1/21/15 at 2:02 am to


Very well said TMC.. that analysis and comparison was 100% spot on.
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