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Posted on 10/4/14 at 4:30 pm to
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 4:30 pm to
Pretty much agree with that.

Also UF had the bye week to dial up different defensive looks which obviously affected Worley.

With this OL I don't see us picking up a game we aren't suppose to win.

Chatt, Vandy... Don't feel good about UK or Carolina now
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42695 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 4:59 pm to
quote:


Chatt, Vandy... Don't feel good about UK or Carolina now


Carolina and UK have no where near the defense UF has, especially not the front 7. In that regard Bama and OM are the only two we should be worried about having this kind of game against our line.
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32028 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 4:59 pm to
4 possibly 5 wins.

sucks knowing what could have been.. 4 points cost us uga and florida. Screw football
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 5:27 pm to
There is nothing worse than this feeling, nothing. I won't sleep for days.
Posted by oleyeller
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Member since Oct 2012
32028 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 5:28 pm to
it sucks.. it definitely sucks knowing your the better team and lose. and whats worse is knowing it was comming.. i knew it 3 plays into 2nd half.. its just who we are
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 10/4/14 at 5:55 pm to
Yep. I saw it coming during the half too.

I though after that pick to start the half that we could close it...
... But nope.
Posted by InVolNerable
Member since Jan 2012
10205 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 6:18 pm to
Butch is Dooley with better people skills.
Posted by PrideOfTheSouthland
Gateway to the South
Member since Nov 2010
1558 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 8:13 pm to
Put the bottle down...
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42695 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 10:49 pm to
quote:

Put the bottle down...


^THIS. Jesus Christ people. The reason we lost today was solely because of our OLINE. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT? DEREK frickING DOOLEY.
Posted by NorthGAVol
Member since Sep 2011
8939 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 10:55 pm to
Dude, Bajakian is fricking terrible and everyone knows it.

Yeah, the OL sucks but he hasn't done a thing to make shite any easier. His play calling is downright bizarre as well.

I've felt for a while that 2015 would be the year but I'm starting to get on the fence.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42695 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 11:03 pm to
Sigh. No, we assume Bajakian is terrible. Fact of the matter is we don't know. We can't run block or pass block and unless we learn to do that it doesn't matter what play is called or what offense is run. Worley also isn't the greatest vertical/deep pass threat either. That's a pretty deadly mixture.
This post was edited on 10/4/14 at 11:07 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42695 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 11:16 pm to
THIS had a lot to do with what happened today. Hurd is/was hurt. From VN:

quote:

Spoke with the family, and while no one will know anything for sure until tomorrow, it appears that it's an AC Joint injury. It happened early in the game, and afterwards, he was still in quite a bit of pain (even with the dose of meds). Makes sense as he didn't appear like himself throughout the game. Seemed timid at times and lacked the intensity that he normally plays with. I know that it is "not" the shoulder that he had surgery on prior. Will know for sure his prognosis tomorr
Posted by NorthGAVol
Member since Sep 2011
8939 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 11:16 pm to
The reason he is terrible is not only his playcalling but he doesn't tailor his offense to his players' strengths. Baja and maybe Butch to an extent, tried to push a square peg into a round hole. It doesn't fricking work with this team.

We have a young and shitty OL combined with a pocket passing QB. What does he like to do? Use these slow developing rushing plays where the RB is standing still as he gets the ball. Baja does nothing to counter this offense's weaknesses.


I watched Kiffin 5 years ago deal with with a patchwork line with two 260 pound Linemen and a head case at QB. We finished the season with over 2000 yards rushing and Kiffin turned Crompton into an upper echelon SEC QB.

Baja/Butch needs to start rolling Worley out so that he can see the field with not as much pressure and quit running the goddamn read no read option no option offense until we have a QB on campus with the skillset to make it effective.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42695 posts
Posted on 10/4/14 at 11:32 pm to
This isn't a patchwork line like douchebag had this is an entirely new one with TWO TRUE FROSH starting on it and no depth behind. Our oline is composed of a guard playing LT, an RG who was playing DT 2 weeks before the season started, an RT who was a HS center last year and who has never played RT in his life and who is expected to block guys like Striker, Fowler, and Floyd, a center we're starting only because we desperately want someone who isn't an underclassman in there - that's our OLINE. And it faced the only real strength Florida has which is their DLINE. Games are won in the trenches and our trench sucks.

Sorry but Kiffykins didn't face anything close to that.
This post was edited on 10/4/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted by GoBigOrange86
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Member since Jun 2008
14486 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 8:53 am to
Blaming the OL is appealing, but the fact is you can't look at last week's game and this week's game and not question the role of coaching. I just don't believe Florida's DL is THAT much better than Georgia's. Given the way we performed last week on the road offensively versus how we looked this week at home against a reeling team that did everything they could to give us the game, the blame falls squarely on the coaches' shoulders.

Good staffs augment their playcalling to hide their team's weaknesses. Bajakian, it seems, has his gameplan and is sticking to it come hell or high water. The staff coached scared or stupid or both. Our -11 yards in the redzone is unacceptable -- I don't care HOW bad the offensive line is.

But then, let's consider how bad the OL is and ask why, up 9-0 nearing the 4th quarter, our OC is STILL insisting that Worley drop back to pass. He's unprotected, he fumbles the ball, Florida recovers, and look what happens. A redzone turnover leads to a score, something we couldn't manage in spite of every opportunity. Florida couldn't move the ball. If we just run and punt up 9-0 we would have won.

We're probably never going to see a Florida team that bad roll into Neyland Stadium again. And we still couldn't get it done. I'm not giving up on Butch yet, but the offensive philosophy is a mess. That's a game you have to win.

Butch isn't Dooley, but yesterday was downright Dooley-esque in terms of the performance. It was that deflated feeling of knowing anything you did on offense was futile. The staff really screwed up.
Posted by tatervol
Lexington, TN
Member since Nov 2008
2159 posts
Posted on 10/5/14 at 10:44 am to
Good post
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
1636 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:05 am to
It's the Oline, the coaching, and the QB, and none of them are helping each other. Since it sucks to blame college kids who are obviously trying, and trying hard (Worley is a gamer), then I have no choice but to blame coaching. And on that front, firing coaches would do no good. The offense is Butch's. Firing Butch would officially kill UT.

So just accept it. We need Butch to recruit us to 8 wins and keep us there until we have enough money to fire another coach.
Posted by NorthGAVol
Member since Sep 2011
8939 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:23 am to
I think it's crystal clean that Mahoney and Bajakian are the problems with this staff, offensively. I think Azzani is alright and the WRs seem to love him so I wouldn't really want him gone. The problem is that Baja and Mahoney have been with Butch since the beginning of his CMU tenure and I have a very hard time believing that CBJ would axe either of these guys.

Hell, Butch was praising Baja's offense after the UGA loss, when in reality it disappeared for about a 40 minute stretch until we got into desperation mode.
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
14421 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:35 am to
The problem isn't the offensive philosophy, it's the execution. We're running the read option, that's what this offense is based around. However, that play will NEVER work if the QB never keeps the ball. The DE will always crash down on the RB and we will look absolutely retarded running the ball.

Our OL isn't good enough to blow people off the line of scrimmage so the only way for us to have a decent run game is for the QB to be a viable run threat out of the read option. THAT is our problem, THAT is why we can't run it(the team that has the most rushing yards wins between UF and UT), and THAT is why our offense is so bad.

We can't throw because no one respects our ground game. Florida played press man and DARED us to beat them through the air. We didn't, because they were also blitzing and getting pressure on Worley almost every play.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 9:36 am
Posted by NorthGAVol
Member since Sep 2011
8939 posts
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:00 am to
I agree with everything you said but my point is, a good OC adjusts his system to fit the personnel imo. The read option should be scrapped until we have a DT QB (Dobbs? Jennings?) capable of making it effective. Right now, we run these slow developing running plays that allow the defense to tee off on the RB. Combine that with this OL and a slow QB thT will not tuck it and that's why the offense is so terrible right now.

I know this is Butch/Baja's "system" but until we have the pieces for it, they need to get creative...or actually just simplify it. Line up in the pistol so that the RB can get a running start and cut out this read option shite until it's a threat. Or line up under center. Just do something else because it's obvious that it's not working. And if armchair coaches like you and I notice it, you can bet that SEC defensive coordinators know what's coming too.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:02 am
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