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Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:03 pm to volfan30
I wouldn't put him ahead of stoops or miles
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:08 pm to WestCoastAg
I don't follow the day-to-day recruiting at other programs tbh so I wouldn't know. I know that Kiffin and Fulmer both had excellent reputations as head coach recruiters and Butch is probably more impressive than both of them imo.
The difference between most head coaches and him is that Butch personally takes the lead on almost every elite player we recruit. Not just a closer. Kahlil McKenzie said he has talked, tweeted or texted CBJ every day for the last year.
I'm not sold on Butch as an Xs and Os guy but he is as impressive as anyone I've seen on the recruiting trail.
The difference between most head coaches and him is that Butch personally takes the lead on almost every elite player we recruit. Not just a closer. Kahlil McKenzie said he has talked, tweeted or texted CBJ every day for the last year.
I'm not sold on Butch as an Xs and Os guy but he is as impressive as anyone I've seen on the recruiting trail.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:10 pm to Rabern57
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It is considering all the top recruiters in the SEC. He wouldn't have even finished as high as he did last year had UT not signed 34 players. Going off of quality of players he finished 8th in the conference.
This^^^^
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:43 pm to Nguyening
Let's look at the average star ratings at the end of this class. As previously mentioned, UT will likely land around 10 four stars and 4 or 5 five stars.
Last year's class is underrated as well. Time will tell, but I would take Butch as a pure recruiter over anyone except Saban. We each have our own opinion.
Last year's class is underrated as well. Time will tell, but I would take Butch as a pure recruiter over anyone except Saban. We each have our own opinion.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 10:44 pm to Nguyening
If you think UT had the 8th best class in the SEC quality wise then I cannot help you.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:04 pm to psk_Vol
Yeah, I don't get that. Not sure why the bottom 8 or 9 guys being depth/projects makes the top 22 or so in the class any less impressive. We could have easily just taken the top 22 and then we'd have an elite average star rating, but we needed numbers.
Average star rating is valuable when you are comparing classes of the same size, but the top 20 by star rating is much more important which is why it's all that goes in to ranking the classes.
Average star rating is valuable when you are comparing classes of the same size, but the top 20 by star rating is much more important which is why it's all that goes in to ranking the classes.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:15 pm to volfan30
If 247 bases it off the top 20 for everyone then UT's average still finished behind Bama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, UF, UGA, and USCe. Which is 8th.
Right now, even if you add TG, they are still behind all those plus Arkansas. But either way that is still a long ways from 2nd.
Right now, even if you add TG, they are still behind all those plus Arkansas. But either way that is still a long ways from 2nd.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:20 pm to Legendary0903
quote:as will bama, as will a&m, I bet LSU gets close
UT will likely land around 10 four stars and 4 or 5 five stars.
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:37 pm to Rabern57
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Even if 247 bases it off the top 20 for everyone then UT's average still finished behind Bama, LSU, A&M, Auburn, UF, UGA, and USCe.
How on earth do you figure that?
Tennessee's top 20 average was 91.769
Auburn's was 91.5955
Florida and UGA were just below us as well.
South Carolina's was 88.9265 (aka not even close to ours)
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Right now, even if you add TG, they are still behind all those plus Arkansas. But either way that is still a long ways from 2nd.
This 2015 class is a long, long ways from finished. Our next 5* commit will be Kahlil McKenzie, not TG. There are tons of highly rated guys on the board that we are in great shape for.
This post was edited on 6/12/14 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:55 pm to volfan30
quote:You claimed they only used the top 20 in ranking teams. I said if the rankings were for the top 20 players then it was the same for everyone. The numbers I used were what 247 listed. Which shows: 2014 Auburn's class average with 90.06 and Tennessee with 88.36.
How on earth do you figure that?
Tennessee's top 20 average was 91.769
Auburn's was 91.5955
LINK
quote:Yes and the same goes for the top teams too.
This 2015 class is a long, long ways from finished. Our next 5* commit will be Kahlil McKenzie, not TG. There are tons of highly rated guys on the board that we are in great shape for.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 12:03 am
Posted on 6/12/14 at 11:57 pm to volfan30
quote:which can be said about the majority of the programs in this conference
There are tons of highly rated guys on the board that we are in great shape for.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:04 am to Rabern57
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You claimed they only used the top 20 in ranking teams. I said if the rankings were for the top 20 players then it was the same for everyone. The numbers I used were what 247 listed. Which shows: 2014 Auburn's class average with 90.06 and Tennessee with 88.36.
They only use the top 20 for class rankings. You are looking at average which includes all 32 or however many Tennessee signed. If you look at Tennessee's top 20 and Auburn's top 20, Tennessee's average was higher. If you want to punish Tennessee for taking more 3 stars/filler depth that's fine. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me though.
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Yes and the same goes for the top teams too.
Exactly. So not sure why you brought up the current rankings.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:20 am to volfan30
Looking forward to revisiting this thread come NSD. Until then 
Posted on 6/13/14 at 6:21 am to Legendary0903
@MrsAmyCampbell
Butch Jones in a bold move showed Torrance Gibson film of Quinten Dormady throwing the ball and playing quarterback. Gibson is now leaning toward playing WR in the SEC. #WRU
from Scout article
Butch Jones in a bold move showed Torrance Gibson film of Quinten Dormady throwing the ball and playing quarterback. Gibson is now leaning toward playing WR in the SEC. #WRU
from Scout article
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 8:56 am
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:24 am to MID_TN_VOL
Posted on 6/13/14 at 7:25 am to volfan30
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Another thing is that Butch is extremely hands on. Even more so than Kiffin and Fulmer who were great, great head coach recruiters. Any high profile guys are handled by Butch and Butch alone. His staff is nothing special outside of Thig either (on the recruiting side). They are pretty much a 2 man operation. Azzanni and Elder are decent and the rest are pretty mediocre.
I agree 100% with this.
Posted on 6/13/14 at 9:22 pm to Legendary0903
quote:so Butch will have more than 5 star signees than win on the field next season.
UT will likely land around 10 four stars and 4 or 5 five stars.
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:38 am to CaptainBrannigan
Taking a play out of the Auburn 2012 blue print IMO
Posted on 6/14/14 at 9:56 am to Legendary0903
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As previously mentioned, UT will likely land around 10 four stars and 4 or 5 five stars
And LSU was going to land 7 5-stars last class.
Way too early to count your chickens.
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