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The reason that college football has become an oligarchy?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:09 pm
Of the Top 100 Players per the 247 rankings.....
- 9 of the top 10 (90%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 13 of the top 15 (87%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 19 of the top 30 (63%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 47 of the top 100 (47%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
Recruiting rankings aren't the end all be all, but if you concentrate 75%+ of the players deemed elite by the system on the same 5 teams year over year......those 5 teams are going are going to be in the Top 5-10 every single year. The remaining teams will be filled in by those that win conferences with lesser players (Oklahoma), and those teams will then lose when they get to play one of the 5 above 90% of the time.
- 9 of the top 10 (90%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 13 of the top 15 (87%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 19 of the top 30 (63%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
- 47 of the top 100 (47%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
Recruiting rankings aren't the end all be all, but if you concentrate 75%+ of the players deemed elite by the system on the same 5 teams year over year......those 5 teams are going are going to be in the Top 5-10 every single year. The remaining teams will be filled in by those that win conferences with lesser players (Oklahoma), and those teams will then lose when they get to play one of the 5 above 90% of the time.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 4:03 pm
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Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:11 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Now let's pay these players! (Openly)
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
Pretty insane. One of these is not like the others though
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:12 pm to thunderbird1100
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Now let's pay these players! (Openly)
If we paid players, they'd all go to the good schools with all the money that care about football!
Wait a second......
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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- 47 of the top 100 (47%) are committed to Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU or Ohio State
I don't see this changing any time soon. In fact, the disparity will probably get worse.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:14 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Pretty insane. One of these is not like the others though
Outside of winning a national title they are (which Ohio State hasn't done in 5+ years either) : 36-7 (84%), 1 SEC title, 1 playoff, 2 Top 5 finishes in 3 years, 3 Top 10 finishes in 3 years, Top 3 recruiting class for 4 straight years, etc.
They're in that group more so than anybody else not mentioned.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If we paid players, they'd all go to the good schools with all the money that care about football!
Wait a second......
Yeah it's pretty much the main argument against it and why I'm skeptical paying them openly wouldn't do anything but make the sport worse from a balance standpoint exacerbating even more the OP.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Wait, so are you telling me that the playoff actually appears to create less parity?
No fricking way
No fricking way
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:44 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Wait, so are you telling me that the playoff actually appears to create less parity?
No fricking way
Well, it does gives schools like Oklahoma a chance to join the party and lose every year. So that kind of counts as parity, right?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:51 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Wait, so are you telling me that the playoff actually appears to create less parity?
No fricking way
I mean i'm not so sure it does. Florida State, Michigan State, Washington, Notre Dame, Oregon, Georgia and LSU have all gone to at least one playoff. Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State have gone to multiple playoffs. The parity is about the same as it was going 6 years back into the BCS, where Bama and Auburn were the only teams to appear in more than 1.
We've had 4 different champions in the playoff era, and 4 different champions going back 6 years in the BCS era
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 3:57 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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We've had 4 different champions in the playoff era, and 4 different champions going back 6 years in the BCS era
As much as things change they stay the same I guess.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 4:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
SoG, a numbers freak like you can’t count to five?
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, or Ohio St
Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, LSU, or Ohio St
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/28/20 at 4:03 pm to phaz
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SoG, a numbers freak like you can’t count to five?
Ohio and State are 2 different schools phaz
Or something..........
Posted on 1/28/20 at 4:20 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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We've had 4 different champions in the playoff era, and 4 different champions going back 6 years in the BCS era
Maybe I shouldn’t say less, but it definitely didn’t help.
I do think the talent is more concentrated than it was early in the playoff era.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 4:44 pm to thunderbird1100
Paying them openly could pump life into the PAC, ND & Michigan
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:35 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Coaching and scheduling also have something to do with it as well.
The conference TV contracts provide resources.
If Clemson was in the SEC they would not be undefeated each year. If the SEC rotated cross division opponents instead of having one permanent opponent The scheduling advantage for Bama would even out.
The recruiting rankings have not been that different for the last 20 years.. Clemson is a late comer.
Michigan has declined in many respects because Detroit metro has lost so much population. LSU was disrupted for several years as population left New Orleans because of Katrina(mostly stable now but probably 100,000 less population)
Texas schools, California schools should be higher. When USC and UCLA finally figure it out they will be in the mix. And same with Texas and Texas AM.
The conference TV contracts provide resources.
If Clemson was in the SEC they would not be undefeated each year. If the SEC rotated cross division opponents instead of having one permanent opponent The scheduling advantage for Bama would even out.
The recruiting rankings have not been that different for the last 20 years.. Clemson is a late comer.
Michigan has declined in many respects because Detroit metro has lost so much population. LSU was disrupted for several years as population left New Orleans because of Katrina(mostly stable now but probably 100,000 less population)
Texas schools, California schools should be higher. When USC and UCLA finally figure it out they will be in the mix. And same with Texas and Texas AM.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 10:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
I think the oligarchies are maintained through recruiting. Teams seem to have broken in despite pedestrian recruiting.
Dabo may be an exception but his first title game appearance was preceded by pretty pedestrian recruiting classes . . . .the previous four groups were ranked 8th, 16th, 15th, and 20th..
Ditto for Saban's first natty at Bama. The 4 classes leading up to the 2008 title were ranked 12,13,16, and 21.
Dabo may be an exception but his first title game appearance was preceded by pretty pedestrian recruiting classes . . . .the previous four groups were ranked 8th, 16th, 15th, and 20th..
Ditto for Saban's first natty at Bama. The 4 classes leading up to the 2008 title were ranked 12,13,16, and 21.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 12:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If we paid players, they'd all go to the good schools with all the money that care about football!
Have to think Oregon would join the fray. They've had some stud signings lately.
Posted on 1/29/20 at 2:28 pm to SummerOfGeorge
More evidence we live in a oligarchy
Posted on 1/29/20 at 7:05 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That's like wealth and taxes paid.
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