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Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:44 pm to Gradual_Stroke
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:44 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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Maybe because this isn't a flame thread. You come in here and say retarded shite like "A&M doesn't protect kids from Vegas. That is how Texas will sell itself to recruits". It's annoying, absurd, and doesn't add to the conversation in any intelligent way. It's just a flame, and a poor one at that.
Except he didn't say that any more than I did. In the context -- which is what some people are really failing to take into account in this thread -- he was merely putting words into Strong's (or a hypothetical opposing coach's) mouth. We're not commenting on the validity of the sell, just on the possibility of it being used to some degree by a coach who is instituting a fairly severe and restrictive system for his athletes.
What's derailing this thread is the fact that some people are conflating this attribution with the opinions of the posters themselves. While I can't speak for the person you're replying to, trust me, I don't make a practice of trolling TAMU except in the most good-natured way. I get along just fine with the people on your board, who are an intelligent and engaging bunch for the most part (I make an exception for your admitted trolls, of course, as I do with the trolls of every fanbase here.)
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:46 pm to randomways
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That's an interesting point, and I can't disagree there except to note that the Sips had no problem recruiting top talent under Mack "What, me worry?" Brown, so while you make a valid observation, it's not necessarily a necessity for Strong to take that approach, just highly intellectually-defensible. Then again, I'm not sure Mack even knew there was anything besides porn on the Internet -- I suspect his assistants did most of the evaluations and Internet research, i.e. trolling the recruiting sites. Strong is likely a lot more keyed into the dynamic you describe.
Mack was VERY big on selling a "family" atmosphere to parents while he was at Texas. Whatever the man was or wasn't he was a good recruiter, and so he knew the best way to make Austin smaller and less dangerous was by selling to parents a different smaller community he controlled. He was a control freak about activities, access and perceived or real dangers to his kids.
I am not trying to say Strong's pitch will be worse, won't work, etc. I don't know about any of that.
But I do think one thing Mack did well was sell the program as a safe and positive environment, and part of that was to not get pulled into the weeds about the dangers of Austin.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:52 pm to bherm1988
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Strong is going to dominate that offensive minded flash in the pan guy for A&M in recruiting and in football. What wins Championships come on A&M fans you know that saying that rings true year after year. It's only a matter of time!
I'm not sure what is weaker, the sentence construction or the troll attempt.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 4:30 pm to randomways
quote:we get that, all we are saying is that if he does so, it wont work well for him, and then people came in here calling us defensive when all we were saying, was that IF he uses that pitch, it wont work well
Except he didn't say that any more than I did. In the context -- which is what some people are really failing to take into account in this thread -- he was merely putting words into Strong's (or a hypothetical opposing coach's) mouth. We're not commenting on the validity of the sell, just on the possibility of it being used to some degree by a coach who is instituting a fairly severe and restrictive system for his athletes.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:18 pm to WestCoastAg
I totally agree 100% that that IS Charlies pitch and his reasoning behind why HE thinks it will work.
My 0.02 is that it's not going to sell in 2014.
I can see that there may be some kids who are very controlled by their parents who, in a tight decision between two schools, might be swayed by their parents' love of Charlie's Stalingrad approach, but I think that, more than likely, you'll see kids just plain eliminate UT from their lists of top schools from the get-go because they don't want to live in the dorms (which also means no embezzeling the housing fund like all other players do) and have Charlie up their arse all the time.
In that scenario, which I think is more real-world, UT's not going to be coming down to head-to-head wars for elite prospects wherein his draconian approach will help him sell the parents, because the kids will have eliminated him from their lists a year prior. This Maximum Discipline Plan may help win battles for 3-stars on the fence between UT, Baylor and Tech, but 4 & 5ers are going to say "no thanks" before their parents even GET a visit from Charlie.
My 0.02 is that it's not going to sell in 2014.
I can see that there may be some kids who are very controlled by their parents who, in a tight decision between two schools, might be swayed by their parents' love of Charlie's Stalingrad approach, but I think that, more than likely, you'll see kids just plain eliminate UT from their lists of top schools from the get-go because they don't want to live in the dorms (which also means no embezzeling the housing fund like all other players do) and have Charlie up their arse all the time.
In that scenario, which I think is more real-world, UT's not going to be coming down to head-to-head wars for elite prospects wherein his draconian approach will help him sell the parents, because the kids will have eliminated him from their lists a year prior. This Maximum Discipline Plan may help win battles for 3-stars on the fence between UT, Baylor and Tech, but 4 & 5ers are going to say "no thanks" before their parents even GET a visit from Charlie.
This post was edited on 2/19/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 2/19/14 at 5:33 pm to Cooter Davenport
But honestly, this thread is derailed as can be because the Tough Dad Recruiting Strategy doesn't matter in the broader scheme.
If Charlie wins 10+ games this year and A&M wins less than 8, he can flip the script on us. But if he goes 6-6 or less, he's absolutely screwed, will never get momentum, will be stuck will lesser players, and he will be fired in a few years. So all that REALLY matters is performance on the field this next season.
If Charlie wins 10+ games this year and A&M wins less than 8, he can flip the script on us. But if he goes 6-6 or less, he's absolutely screwed, will never get momentum, will be stuck will lesser players, and he will be fired in a few years. So all that REALLY matters is performance on the field this next season.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:16 pm to Cooter Davenport
While the success on the field is paramount, of course, and leads directly to my next observation, it's also about success in the draft/NFL. Somebody mentioned Saban earlier, and, yes, there have been some bad seeds under him, but he's famously a no-nonsense disciplinarian hard-arse, at least on the field (and he apparently has no trouble kicking kids off if they screw up off-the-field.) But he has top-shelf talent lining up to play for him even at the expense of early playing time because he gets them in the NFL. If Strong can develop that sort of reputation, recruiting will come naturally regardless of his draconian restrictions.
Obviously, though, as I said before, he has to win or he won't even get a chance to develop a track record of putting Texas kids in the NFL. And I'm not overly convinced the Sips will give him enough leash. Hell, I'm shocked they managed to unstick their heads from their asses long enough to even hire him in the first place.
Obviously, though, as I said before, he has to win or he won't even get a chance to develop a track record of putting Texas kids in the NFL. And I'm not overly convinced the Sips will give him enough leash. Hell, I'm shocked they managed to unstick their heads from their asses long enough to even hire him in the first place.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 3:30 am to bherm1988
I think with the SEC brand A&M is further ahead then many people want to think or admit. I do think this upcoming season will be huge in keeping the momentum. We have a new QB and we dont have any games at Kyle Feild which is a big blow. I like Strong but i think it will take a few years to right that ship. If A&M can go 8-4 with a bowl win i think we will be ok. 2015 is the season were we should be able to make another run at the title.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 7:53 am to 1991Aggie
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and we dont have any games at Kyle Feild which is a big blow
Wut
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:14 am to 1991Aggie
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I think with the SEC brand A&M is further ahead then many people want to think or admit.
This may be true but Auburn people thought this when we went 6 in a row and started stealing the elite in state talent. If TAMU doesn't keep it up and UT comes back, I'd be shocked if there isn't a more heavy split for Texas with TAMU still getting some though
I don't think record has as much to do with it as rankings throughout the season. If UT sustains a superior ranking and feel than TAMU the whole season two years in a row, I see the TAMU advantage changing
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:25 am to GenesChin
They have some huge games early on for their recruiting momentum. Their first six games will tell a lot about how quickly this turnaround will happen
UNT
BYU
UCLA at Jerry's- this game is huge I think
At KU
Baylor
RRS
They could easily start 3-3 or worse as that's a pretty tough schedule to start. If they can start 2-0, which they really should though they lost to BYU last year, there will be a good deal of hype going into that UCLA game. If they somehow upset UCLA I will officially be pretty worried. A win against OU in the RRS would be big for Strong as well
UNT
BYU
UCLA at Jerry's- this game is huge I think
At KU
Baylor
RRS
They could easily start 3-3 or worse as that's a pretty tough schedule to start. If they can start 2-0, which they really should though they lost to BYU last year, there will be a good deal of hype going into that UCLA game. If they somehow upset UCLA I will officially be pretty worried. A win against OU in the RRS would be big for Strong as well
This post was edited on 2/20/14 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:29 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
If Texas walks out of there 5-1 or at worse 4-2, I'd be very scared. They will be ranked high and the ESPN would love the TEXAS IS BACK narrative
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:30 am to GenesChin
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If Texas walks out of there 5-1 or at worse 4-2, I'd be very scared. They will be ranked high and the ESPN would love the TEXAS IS BACK narrative
I agree
Posted on 2/20/14 at 8:52 am to GenesChin
If Texas starts 4-2, the best team they will have beaten was Baylor most likely. That wouldn't concern me, especially given that UCLA and OU will probably pound them and A&M has a good shot at starting 6-1 before we hit the gauntlet to end.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:31 am to Cooter Davenport
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If Charlie wins 10+ games this year and A&M wins less than 8, he can flip the script on us. But if he goes 6-6 or less, he's absolutely screwed, will never get momentum, will be stuck will lesser players, and he will be fired in a few years.
I think that is a little dramatic. Even at a "reduced" level Texas can still recruit better than everyone in the Big 12. If Charlie can not underachieve he can at least keep his job via in-conference wins. It could create another SWC situation going forward though with the national end-of-year games.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:32 am to JimmyHDeridderhigh
Can't believe ATM has an upper hand in recruiting vs. Texas right now. Is this the first time in history?
Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:34 am to Phat Phil
No
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:07 am to Roger Klarvin
If you think the clear flagship program who goes 4-2 ranked and has Espn on their longhorn network jock with the Texas is on their way back is not scary you are a moron.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:10 am to The_Joker
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A&M went 9-4 and UT went 8-5. They aren't that different right now
9-4 in the SEC vs. 8-5 in the BigDumpsterFire is not anywhere near being the same.
Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:13 am to Phat Phil
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Can't believe ATM has an upper hand in recruiting vs. Texas right now. Is this the first time in history?
Good lord, no.
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