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Posted on 1/25/16 at 10:56 am to MightyYat
Posted on 1/25/16 at 10:56 am to MightyYat
We're not Bama, nor do we have the long, heated rivalry with you that Mississippi does. I get it and understand one can only circle so many games on their schedule, though one would think we do since LSU fans, Auburn fans, Ole Miss fans, and TAMU fans are convinced that they are our super bowl.
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Posted on 1/25/16 at 10:56 am to Snizzzo
Arkansas is a fantastic football program as well as a school, I will not deny that. I am not on the it's an automatic win for LSU argument. I am just a part of the Arkansas doesnt have the pull with recruits that LSU does argument and I don't mean for that to have any bearing on the yearly game between the two. That is a different argument in itself.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:10 am to CajunTiger_225
Arkansas is just now attempting to make inroads in Louisiana. No other coach we have had has really tried it. It has paid off well so far for Arkansas. We have gotten 6-7 LA guys the last few years now, and the ones who are FR or SO have contributed in a great way.
This is the first year though, that I can remember that we are at least finalists(Top 2 or 3) for some of LA's high caliber players.
IMO, this is better for the so called "rivalry" than a stupid trophy. Arkansas had a rivalry with Texas because we had a lot of Texas kids. If Arkansas continues to get 3-4 LA kids each cycle, it's good for the hype around our annual game.
Not that the game could get much better, as most games the last 10-15 years have been decided by less than 7-8 points.
This is the first year though, that I can remember that we are at least finalists(Top 2 or 3) for some of LA's high caliber players.
IMO, this is better for the so called "rivalry" than a stupid trophy. Arkansas had a rivalry with Texas because we had a lot of Texas kids. If Arkansas continues to get 3-4 LA kids each cycle, it's good for the hype around our annual game.
Not that the game could get much better, as most games the last 10-15 years have been decided by less than 7-8 points.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:50 am to CajunTiger_225
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I am just a part of the Arkansas doesnt have the pull with recruits that LSU does argument and I don't mean for that to have any bearing on the yearly game between the two. That is a different argument in itself.
Same here. Again, it's going to take time more than just a close head to head to WIN the big time recruiting battles in LA, especially in South LA. I'm not saying you will NEVER get one. Recruiting is about relationships, and if you hit with the right guy, you'll win one here or there. I just don't see Arkansas becoming the kind of CONSISTENT threat that Bama, or even Ole Miss is to actually sign big-time LA recruits yet.
On the other hand, you guys can clean up on N LA guys who LSU doesn't offer, or slow-plays. There are a lot of these guys in-state who will turn into very good SEC-caliber players. It looks like you are already doing this.
There is definitely a difference in recruiting philosophies between the LSU and Arkansas. The problem with LSU's defensive recruiting up until last year (and offense pre-2014) has been the execution of that strategy. When you chase the biggest names, but don't have the closers at those positions, you can end up in a bad spot. You wait only to become a hat on the table, and many potential fall-back guys end up committing to programs that made them a priority. Studs and Chavis didn't even target enough players, and only delivered a few, and Brick just came in 2nd and 3rd all the time and then reached for risky guys after he missed on primary targets. We all saw the results in LSU's below-average play (at least based on past performance) across the front 7 the last two years.
The difference at the moment is that Orgeron and Grimes are actually able to seal the deal with the top players in big enough numbers to matter. One 5 star doesn't make a difference if he's a bust (like Clifton Garrett). Pinning hopes to a few big names here and there is very risky. When you bring in 2 or 3 5s and high 4s at a position, that is a much different situation. LSU is finally recruiting at this level where it really matters again. There isn't any mystery with Les Miles. Having great talent across the board and a solid coaching staff is how he won big from 05-07 and 10-12. Recruiting the way LSU is right now is the key to seeing that difference on the field again.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 1/25/16 at 1:14 pm to Hawgeye
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Not that the game could get much better, as most games the last 10-15 years have been decided by less than 7-8 points.
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Posted on 1/25/16 at 1:18 pm to Hawgeye
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Arkansas is just now attempting to make inroads in Louisiana. No other coach we have had has really tried it. It has paid off well so far for Arkansas. We have gotten 6-7 LA guys the last few years now, and the ones who are FR or SO have contributed in a great way.
Rummel is starting to be an inroad for us, and the Northern schools in Louisiana.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 2:44 pm to misey94
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Same here. Again, it's going to take time more than just a close head to head to WIN the big time recruiting battles in LA, especially in South LA. I'm not saying you will NEVER get one. Recruiting is about relationships, and if you hit with the right guy, you'll win one here or there. I just don't see Arkansas becoming the kind of CONSISTENT threat that Bama, or even Ole Miss is to actually sign big-time LA recruits yet.
The only part of your post I disagree with. The list of coaches that can come into LA and take players LSU wants with consistency is only one name, and as soon as he retires Bama will have just as hard a time as every other school. Bert picking up the LA guys that LSU overlooks is a great strategy and will probably pay off with a blue chip player eventually. But Saban can only do it every year because he has relationships in LA that go back to the 90's. As much shite talking as I've done about Arkansas the past few days they do have our number on the field lately and will probably take a player from LA that LSU wants in the next few years.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 2:48 pm to 870Hog
Rummel can be an in road, that's great. But when there's a player like Fulton at Rummel that LSU goes all out to get, he ain't going to Arkansas.
But I like to see the Henre Tolivers of the world go to Arky. They play hard against LSU and make it a tough rivalry game
But I like to see the Henre Tolivers of the world go to Arky. They play hard against LSU and make it a tough rivalry game
Posted on 1/25/16 at 2:49 pm to Team Vote
And even Saban's ability to pull the blue chippers from la is diminishing. Orgeron and company are putting the state on lock.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 9:29 pm to 870Hog
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Rummel is starting to be an inroad for us, and the Northern schools in Louisiana.
Being a former Raider myself, this surely isn't true. He'll be a Tiger. Craig Steltz says hi as well
Posted on 1/25/16 at 10:22 pm to Hawgeye
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Arkansas is just now attempting to make inroads in Louisiana. No other coach we have had has really tried it. It has paid off well so far for Arkansas. We have gotten 6-7 LA guys the last few years now, and the ones who are FR or SO have contributed in a great way.
This is insane. Everyone has always gotten hung up on Texas kids. I guess due to old SWC ties, but I'd rather have La kids. They are tougher and just made different. shite, I'd be fine with loading up on LSU leftovers. They can't sign them all.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 10:31 pm to SmackoverHawg
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shite, I'd be fine with loading up on LSU leftovers. They can't sign them all.
I've been saying this same thing for years. It's always baffled me why we have stayed away from Louisiana prior to Bielema.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:21 pm to Team Vote
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As much shite talking as I've done about Arkansas the past few days they do have our number on the field lately and will probably take a player from LA that LSU wants in the next few years.
Whatever
Doesn't really seem to matter does it?
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:36 pm to tzimme4
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Being a former Raider myself, this surely isn't true. He'll be a Tiger. Craig Steltz says hi as well
Huh? Did you just use a recruit from 2004 to reinforce your point? The hog was pointing out that Bielema is placing high priority on recruiting LA and had signed a player or two from a certain school in recent years. Our coach in 2004 was not Bret Bielema and recruiting LA was not a priority at all for Houston Nutt.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:39 pm to tzimme4
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Being a former Raider myself, this surely isn't true. He'll be a Tiger.
What does you going to the same school as him years ago have anything to do with this? Because you went to the same school he'll definitely go to LSU? What?
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:50 pm to Gladius Veritas
He's not leaving the state. I know some people
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:54 pm to tzimme4
Even when he goes to LSU, Arkansas will still have more Rummel alumni on their roster currently than LSU. So your point is pointless.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 11:54 pm to tzimme4
I've been saying this for months
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:04 am to TheCheshireHog
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Even when he goes to LSU, Arkansas will still have more Rummel alumni on their roster currently than LSU. So your point is pointless.
Yea bro, but Houston Nutt didn't sign Craig Steltz in 2004.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 12:05 am to tzimme4
Sure you do 
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