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Posted on 7/3/19 at 1:58 pm to Farmer1906
Posted on 7/3/19 at 1:58 pm to Farmer1906
King showing out.
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Posted on 7/3/19 at 2:34 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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Rumors are out there that he ran a 4.5 at a camp.
Which probably means he runs a 4.6-4.7
Posted on 7/3/19 at 3:44 pm to Dawgsontop34
Already ran a 4.62
Posted on 7/3/19 at 3:52 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
The Opening Dream Team
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QB: CJ Stroud (533 in the 247Sports Composite)
From the beginning of the Elite 11 to the end of The Opening Finals, Stroud asserted himself as a quarterback to be reckoned with. If you adjust for drops, Stroud completed 81 percent of his passes and he led the camp in passing touchdowns with 12. He wasn’t just dinking and dunking. Stroud mixed his throws up, completing passes all over the field and. He showed the ability to hit tight windows on deeper breaking routes. A relative unknown on a national scale heading into the event, Stroud looks poised to be a darling of any school, blueblood or otherwise, that is on the hunt for a quarterback.
RB: Tank Bigsby (50 in the 247Sports Composite)
Notre Dame commit Chris Tyree was a close runner-up to this spot because of his 20 catches out of the backfield but we gave the nod to Bigsby because of the five times he found the end zone. It’s also worth noting that as a big back at 6-foot, 210 pounds, Bigsby was surprisingly effective not only catching out of the backfield but running routes beyond just the check down. He was a matchup problem for opponents because of his versatility.
WR: Julian Fleming (5 in the 247Sports Composite)
Based on this event alone, it looks like Fleming is properly ranked as the No. 1 wide receiver in the country. He ran a 4.45 at 6-2, 191. He had a 40 inch vertical. He wasn’t stiff or rigid as a route-runner. He has soft hands. Most importantly when he was on the field, everyone knew it. Fleming only had 15 catches but seven of them went for touchdowns and it always looked pretty when the ball went to his direction.
WR: Jaxon Smith-Njigba (89 in the 247Sports Composite)
Sometimes it was spectacular, usually it was understated, but Smith-Njigba was outstanding during 7on7 play. His 23 catches and four touchdowns were among the best on hand and he found his production in all kinds of ways. He could work the middle of the field and feel his way into open grass, he could stretch the field vertically, he could make tough catches in tight spaces. The Buckeye commit is a very complete target.
(Gee Scott Jr. is in the 5-star conversation; Photo: Andrew Ivins, 247Sports)
WR: Gee Scott (66 in the 247Sports Composite)
It’s pretty wild to have three Ohio State wide receiver commits as the three wide receiver representatives on the Dream Team but Scott left us no choice. He was steady and consistent all week. He made one-handed catches like they were routine. He had one drop all weekend and it was another one-handed catch that somehow we’ve come to take for granted. He had 25 catches (second among all receivers), five touchdowns (tied for second) and he was the safety valve all week for his quarterbacks.
TE: Arik Gilbert (12 in the 247Sports Composite)
Though he was on the least successful team, Gilbert was the bright spot. You could make a strong case for any one of the tight ends to be in this spot but GIlbert’s mix of fluidity, natural hands and the flair for the spectacular (along with his 19 catches and two touchdowns) were what separated him for us.
OL: Marcus Dumervil (128 in the 247Sports Composite )
Dumervil, in fact, was our MVP of the offensive linemen. While battling all week long with No. 1 player Bryan Bresee, five-star underclassman Korey Foreman and speedy edge rushers like Chantz Williams and BJ Ojulari, Dumervil was unflappable. He has the mass and natural strength that allows him to stay patient in his pass set and wait on the athletic edge rushers. Ranked by 247Sports as the No. 198 player in the nation, Dumervil certainly showcased a confidence and comfort level against the lofty competition and he appeared to out-play his ranking.
OL: Walker Parks (88 in the 247Sports Composite)
Parks showed the best combination of length and athleticism on the offensive line. Nathan Anderson was the most athletic but didn’t have the technique or length of Parks. Tate Ratledge has all kinds of size but not quite the same foot-quickness. All Parks needs to do is follow the nutrition plan at Clemson. When he adds a little bit of good weight and strength, he may look like one of the best offensive linemen in the country.
OL: Tate Ratledge (38 in the 247Sports Composite)
There is a physicality that you have to deal with when you’re lining up against Ratledge that is different from every other offensive lineman on hand. He’s not passive at all in his pass set and when he gets his hands on you, he can bury you. From an upside standpoint, it’s not hard to envision Ratledge as the best of the bunch because in addition to all the physical traits, he appears to check the box in a big way on the demeanor side of things too.
OL: Donovan Jackson (34 in the 247Sports Composite for 2021)
Even as an underclassman, Jackson won the event’s offensive line MVP award (again, we thought it was Dumervil). What was perhaps most impressive about his showing was his versatility. Jackson is 6-foot-4 but he is long and he was able to be effective both at guard with some stout powerful offensive linemen, and at tackle with some of the speedier edge guys. At 305 pounds, Jackson also showed rare athleticism with a 4.63 shuttle and a 32.2 inch vertical.
OL: Cooper Mays (316 in the 247Sports Composite)
The only place that we strayed from The Opening staff on our Final Five for the offensive line was Mays. The Tennessee commit missed the cut for the Final Five in favor of Myles Murao who also had a great week but he edges Murao out on our list because of the way he was able to battle from the beginning to the end of every rep. At 6-foot-3, 282 pounds, Mays was also athletic with a 4.63 shuttle but his tenacity, resetting his hands and keeping his feet moving every rep earned him some wins that other offensive linemen would have let slip away.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 3:52 pm to Farmer1906
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DL: Korey Foreman (5 in the 247Sports Composite for 2021)
Though his in pads wasn’t quite as dominant as days one or two for Foreman from a win-loss perspective, the 6-foot-4, 263-pounder was still eye-opening on every rep. He carries 263 pounds like it’s 225 and because of that, his get-off is one of the best at the event. When he gets to the point of attack though, it’s clear that the 263 pounds is real because his power is evident. Foreman solidified his standing as a clear candidate for the No. 1 player in the class of 2021.
DL: Bryan Bresee (2 in the 247Sports Composite)
At times, Bresee seemed to be working on moves, trying out new pass rush techniques or perfecting old ones. He wasn’t perfect and lost some reps but when he really wanted to cut out the cute stuff and get down to business, he was pretty unblockable. The Clemson commit played on the edge most of the week at 6-foot-5, 298 pounds and despite that size, he’s got the athleticism to stay there, similar to Rashan Gary. That said, he was really good in flashes at defensive tackle and that that’s likely in his future if only situationally. He looks like a future first-round talent either way.
DL: BJ Ojulari (193 in the 247Sports Composite)
This week we saw a new version of Ojulari. We knew how athletic he was and he certainly showcased that with a 4.86 40 and a 41 inch vertical, but he wasn’t just a speed rusher. He showed instincts, the ability to counter and the ability to win with inside moves. If his week at The Opening represents an evolution for Ojulari that is reflected on his senior film too, his low four-star rating could creep up dramatically.
DL: Tre Williams (62 in the 247Sports Composite)
From a body-type standpoint, Williams isn’t going to make an All-Lobby team but he flashes quickly when the ball is snapped. Lining up as a shade, he can generate power and win with a dominant bulrush or he has the quickness to cross the center’s face with really good lateral quickness. Heading to Clemson where he’s going to get opportunities to be disruptive in that scheme, Williams looks like he will be a problem in the ACC.
DL: Gervon Dexter (42 in the 247Sports Composite)
Dexter was probably the most interesting defensive line prospect on hand. He’s huge at 6-foot-7, 286 pounds and he’s also really raw but his natural strength and athleticism in that body is just something you don’t often find. Dexter plays really high right now so he’s going to need to really focus on getting his pad level down.
LB: Cody Simon (153 in the 247Sports Composite)
Usually when we put together a Dream Team from The Opening, we throw in a nickel defender. This year, we’ll take all the linebackers we can get. That’s how good this group was and Simon was among the most athletic. He ran a 4.53, had a 38-inch vertical and a 4.19 shuttle so even as a 6-1, 215-pound linebacker, Simon doesn’t compromise on athleticism and he was all over the field with four pass breakups and several more quick tackles in space.
LB: Noah Sewell (43 in the 247Sports Composite)
This isn’t supposed to be a setting that favors a 266-pound inside linebacker but somehow Sewell was incredibly active. He was chopping footballs out of the hands of wide receivers, he was hunting down running backs in space. It’s scary how good Sewell was because we all know he’d be even better if he was in pads.
LB: Trenton Simpson (52 in the 247Sports Composite)
When Simpson walks in the door, he’s already a leg up on most other linebackers based on frame at 6-2.5, 224 pounds. He also checks the athleticism box with a 4.67 40, a 4.15 shuttle and a 34.5 inch vertical. In 7on7 he also showed the ability to run downfield and carry vertical routes with ease and even make a play on the football as a finisher.
S: Lathan Ransom (76 in the 247Sports Composite)
Ransom was one of the most active defensive backs at the event in terms of disrupting the pass game. His game in 7on7 play is a pretty good representation of his game on film as an instinctive guy that feels the field really well. He bodies up routes effectively and is particularly good in goal-line and red zone situations with a compressed field. He’s the type of defensive back that’s just always in the right place at the right time.
S: Jaylon Jones (58 in the 247Sports Composite)
There wasn’t a more impactful defensive back at the event than Jones. Ranked as a cornerback, the Texas A&M commit lined up at safety and was a menace all weekend. In fact, in a light year at safety, he may be the best in this entire class at the position. He had three interceptions during pool play, he had another one in knock-out play on Wednesday. Jones is natural in his backpedal, can play man like an island corner and has an awareness of the entire field and a knack for finding the football.
CB: Fred Davis (30 in the 247Sports Composite)
If you’re looking for a cornerback that never gets beat, never is overmatched and will capitalize when given the opportunity, Davis is your guy. He’s got the length to match up with big receivers, he doesn’t get fooled on underneath stuff and goal-line route combinations and he had one of the most consequential interceptions of the week when he snatched up a tipped ball and returned it for a touchdown to force overtime in knock-out play.
CB: Demorie Tate (138 in the 247Sports Composite)
Tate really arrived this week as one of the elite cornerbacks in the country. When 7on7 play kicked off and he was asked to just focus on his side of the field and cover, nobody could get open. In particular it was a dangerous game testing him vertically. He has the makeup speed and length to trail receivers and still make a play but he also has the ability to stay on top of a receiver and just shut down any threat of the deep ball. If we are talking purely about physical traits, the Florida State commit has a five-star kind of ceiling.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 3:59 pm to Farmer1906
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OL: Marcus Dumervil (128 in the 247Sports Composite ) Dumervil, in fact, was our MVP of the offensive linemen. While battling all week long with No. 1 player Bryan Bresee, five-star underclassman Korey Foreman and speedy edge rushers like Chantz Williams and BJ Ojulari, Dumervil was unflappable. He has the mass and natural strength that allows him to stay patient in his pass set and wait on the athletic edge rushers. Ranked by 247Sports as the No. 198 player in the nation, Dumervil certainly showcased a confidence and comfort level against the lofty competition and he appeared to out-play his ranking
Really hope LSU can land him
Posted on 7/3/19 at 7:17 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Who thought that was a good idea? That at least explains why the Elite 11 rankings and the 247 rankings of the event don’t line up well at all.
It's been obvious for several years that the football camps have been trending away from releasing meaningful results, and toward giving participation trophies. And the recruiting services are run and staffed by partisans who constantly lobby for whichever team butters their bread.
You want to know which of the current recruits are the top football players, watch the games over the next four years, with the sound turned off.
This post was edited on 7/3/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted on 7/3/19 at 10:21 pm to wdhalgren
Dumervill is going to OU or Bama.
Posted on 7/3/19 at 11:54 pm to Farmer1906
king is going to be a borderline 5 star....
Posted on 7/4/19 at 9:13 am to wdhalgren
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You want to know which of the current recruits are the top football players, watch the games over the next four years, with the sound turned off.
Yup. QB Sean White won a few years ago and went to Auburn. He never accomplished anything noteworthy on the field. He was a bust. No one knows how any of the qb's will really fare. All that can be gleaned from these camps for qb's is arm strength. No one knows if they can read a defense or recognize a blitz and pick up the hot wr.
Posted on 7/13/19 at 9:10 pm to kajunman
Best fit, best arm, best zip: Elite 11 Finals superlatives (247Sports)
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A week removed from the Elite 11 Finals, we’ve had ample time to look back and re-gather our thoughts on how the nation’s top quarterbacks fared. We already deemed uncommitted prospect CJ Stroud the top signal-caller from the event, but now we’ll share the love and break the passers into 13 categories...
This post was edited on 7/13/19 at 11:02 pm
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