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Early signing period plus 25 man hard cap
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:12 pm
There are some good players, high 3*, and some 4* guys who wanted to wait until the end, but are not going to be with any of the teams they wanted, and may end up signing with lower tier colleges. No more room on any of their "top list" teams.
I think next year, even more will sign early so as not to lose their spots. The elite guys can wait but not so much the rest.
I think next year, even more will sign early so as not to lose their spots. The elite guys can wait but not so much the rest.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 12:16 pm to PurpleandGeauld
On the flip side there is a guy like Taiyon Palmer whose recruitment has blown up because he waited instead of signing with Duke & now teams desperate for CB help are all coming after him.
I think if you are a midrange prospect at a position of scarcity it makes sense to wait. If you are at a position of depth in a cycle then sign early
Will be interesting to see how both recruits & teams adapt next cycle after this first early period
I think if you are a midrange prospect at a position of scarcity it makes sense to wait. If you are at a position of depth in a cycle then sign early
Will be interesting to see how both recruits & teams adapt next cycle after this first early period
Posted on 1/17/18 at 1:07 pm to PurpleandGeauld
Can someone explain why there is a 25 hard cap?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 1:52 pm to PurpleandGeauld
Who are some of these players not able to sign with who they wanted? Could it be they don’t have the grades currently?
No doubt many schools used the ESP as pressure to sign early or secure potential flips to guarantee a spot.
ESP should be in August before senior season for kids to get it out of the way.
No doubt many schools used the ESP as pressure to sign early or secure potential flips to guarantee a spot.
ESP should be in August before senior season for kids to get it out of the way.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:14 pm to NFLU
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Can someone explain why there is a 25 hard cap?
Because people like to overreact... it was an effort to prevent oversigning... but ultimately rather than penalize Alabama or UGA (or insert another team recruiting at elite levels), what it seems to do primarily is hurt schools that have a chance at overhauling their roster in a short timetable... Instead of a coach like Pruitt or Mullen coming into their respective school, pushing out 10 guys and signing 30+, they'll have to be more careful to manage the roster accordingly... take the *right* 25 to try and move the needle... much less spray and pray. It's good for the athletes in some ways, and not in others...
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 5:47 pm to fibonaccisquared
Its bc Ole Miss took 38 players one year.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 11:39 pm to Section225
Hurts SC with how far below 85 we were when Champ got here
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 1/18/18 at 11:16 am to Section225
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Its bc Ole Miss took 38 players one year.
fricking Ole Miss and Houston Nutt ruining it for everybody else.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:07 pm to TigerPaw1
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Will be interesting to see how both recruits & teams adapt next cycle after this first early period
Interested in this as well. Opposite of what OP was saying is what about the kids who signed just to have their HC or coord. leave. Arizona had 16 kids sign. After rich rod was fired I wonder if they're allowed to get out of their LOI. You hope kids are signing to the school, but we all know they're usually not.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:13 pm to nerd guy
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You hope kids are signing to the school, but we all know they're usually not.
Why on earth is this still a thing? Kids sign to the school that they believe best sets them up for success in the future. Sure, the degree and the school is one factor in that, but the coach means a metric frick ton more given that most of these kids are sold on the idea that playing in college will give them a chance at earning a shot in the NFL. On the upside, I think Arizona fell "up" into the Sumlin hire... but there are programs that likely made worse hires than what they lost...
Either way, I agree in principle... The LOI should be contingent on at a minimum the HC staying the same prior to enrollment. After that, all bets are off.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 12:48 pm to fibonaccisquared
I don't like loosening up the transfer rules.
But I absolutely disagree with the intent of the LOI.
Kids shouldn't be locked in until they show up to class. Give them until August to change their mind (december/January for early enrollees).
A head coach shouldn't leave and take kids with him.
A position coach/coordinator shouldn't leave and take kids with him.
I have no problem forcing a kid to sit a year in these situations unless that kid has graduated already. Graduates are the only scenario where I approve of the wild wild west.
But I absolutely disagree with the intent of the LOI.
Kids shouldn't be locked in until they show up to class. Give them until August to change their mind (december/January for early enrollees).
A head coach shouldn't leave and take kids with him.
A position coach/coordinator shouldn't leave and take kids with him.
I have no problem forcing a kid to sit a year in these situations unless that kid has graduated already. Graduates are the only scenario where I approve of the wild wild west.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:10 pm to meansonny
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Kids shouldn't be locked in until they show up to class. Give them until August to change their mind (december/January for early enrollees).
This one becomes problematic... I think extenuating circumstances are the only thing that should make something like this applicable. (ie. coach leaving, school under investigation/status change, etc)... Otherwise, signing day/recruiting would continue up until June or later for some kids. At some point, the coaches actually do have to be able to have time with their families.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 2:21 pm to fibonaccisquared
Agree to disagree.
No different tampering than UGA calling Roquan on signing day before the LOI was turned in.
If the staff at ucla didn't change, we weren't making that phone call.
Also, there are summer classes. Many kids can enroll in June. Get them 1 class to get their feet wet for college and that stops any issues with an august date.
The loi does zero for the kids.
Emphasize the student athlete by allowing the kid to retain that flexibility up until he becomes a student.
Emphasize that graduating allows the student the freedom/free agency to not have to sit a year.
If a school can't keep a promise until a kid sits in the classroom for the first time, shame on that school. Ucla absolutely was trying to be shady with roquan. Protect the kids up until they are students.
No different tampering than UGA calling Roquan on signing day before the LOI was turned in.
If the staff at ucla didn't change, we weren't making that phone call.
Also, there are summer classes. Many kids can enroll in June. Get them 1 class to get their feet wet for college and that stops any issues with an august date.
The loi does zero for the kids.
Emphasize the student athlete by allowing the kid to retain that flexibility up until he becomes a student.
Emphasize that graduating allows the student the freedom/free agency to not have to sit a year.
If a school can't keep a promise until a kid sits in the classroom for the first time, shame on that school. Ucla absolutely was trying to be shady with roquan. Protect the kids up until they are students.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:33 pm to meansonny
So you're basically asking the coaches to recruit forever, with no down time for families? They coaches work hard enough already. They don't need to have recruiting made more difficult for them. A LOI is a contract and it should be binding. A exception for head coaches leaving is fine, but making it non-binding would just create a mess.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:34 pm to HTDawg
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Hurts SC with how far below 85 we were when Champ got here
We often had that problem at UGA.
Posted on 1/18/18 at 3:42 pm to HTDawg
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So you're basically asking the coaches to recruit forever, with no down time for families?
No. I'm asking millionaires to keep their promises until the poor 18 year steps in a classroom.
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A exception for head coaches leaving is fine, but making it non-binding would just create a mess.
Let's go hypothetical... a coach leaves the university and the recruit is no longer bound to the university. Can the recruit follow the coach to the new university? What kind of shite storm does that create! You are basically turning the highly paid coach into a handler or agent for the kid to relocate to a particular school. You are rewarding the coach in that situation. It doesn't work.
My point is to make "student athlete" mean something. Keep your promises until the kid enrolls in January. Or June. Or August. Until he is in class... he is just an athlete and shouldn't be bonded with strict one sided rules to the university.
Posted on 1/19/18 at 10:31 am to meansonny
Totally disagree, a commitment is a commitment, signing period are when they should sign, and be obligated to that school UNLESS the head coach leaves or the school gets hit with sanctions, then they should be released from their LOI if the player wants to be
If a HC does leave after signing period, if players even wanted to follow that coach to the new school that school would have to have ships available under the 85 hard cap, kids following coaches would be a rare instance, imo, not worth even worrying about.
If a HC does leave after signing period, if players even wanted to follow that coach to the new school that school would have to have ships available under the 85 hard cap, kids following coaches would be a rare instance, imo, not worth even worrying about.
This post was edited on 1/19/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 1/20/18 at 6:33 am to HTDawg
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We often had that problem at UGA.
we played this year i think it was 11 under...should be at 85 this year and can only take i think 14 in the next class without attrition, teams should be able to sign 25 plus what the can with what the coach knows in terms of injuries and xfers...the new signing rules while are great to create greater disparity are going to kill rosters...teams are going to struggle to maintain depth at all positions...unless you are UGA, Bama, OSU, USC, UT,*puke* Clemson, or other bluebloods/successful programs lately...how is a coach to flip a roster with thes new rules. Its impossible, NCAA screwed the pooch with this one as well as with the Early Signing Period IMHO. I think they need to limit it to each school can sign 5-10 in an early signing period
This post was edited on 1/20/18 at 6:42 am
Posted on 1/20/18 at 1:14 pm to NFLU
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Can someone explain why there is a 25 hard cap?
Because they think the prospects will get spread out more that way. It's basically socialism in college football.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:14 am to meansonny
You know there is nothing forcing a kid to sign a LoI.
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