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re: Dan Mullen is visiting Fields on Tuesday
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:40 pm to TJGator1215
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:40 pm to TJGator1215
Says the guy who thinks Tagg is a great recruiter, despite him only doing well once he got Cristobal(the real best recruiter in the country). At USF he was rather average. Don't let data fool you though. Wouldn't want you to think.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:42 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Hoping it doesn't happen. He seemed happy with the Mullen hire the first day, not sure since. I don't follow kids on twitter or anything it feels creepy to me.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 2:57 pm to Gatorbait2008
Apparently UF is a real player here.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:16 pm to AUCE05
Could use good news like that. Have a link or just rumors? Not insulting, just wondering.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:21 pm to Gatorbait2008
I've moved on from this possibility. I like to think in terms of realistic expectations.
Fields is 100% committed to Georgia. He hasn't wavered, even if he did allow Mullen to visit.
On to the next one. We need Copeland back.
Fields is 100% committed to Georgia. He hasn't wavered, even if he did allow Mullen to visit.
On to the next one. We need Copeland back.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:30 pm to AUCE05
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Apparently UF is a real player here.
Apparently the Denver Broncos are a real possibility here.
See, I can also type anything I want to be true.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:48 pm to ForeverGator
You are wise beyond your fandom.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 3:56 pm to ForeverGator
Because no one has ever flipped? If Mullen doesn't go after the best overall QB, he isn't doing his job. Mullen is going after quite a few receivers. Def want Copeland back though. Pretty sure he can recruit multiple players at once though. So don't see why we should not try for a QB, and just focus on getting Copeland? Think we can handle trying to do both.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 11/30/17 at 4:13 pm to Gatorbait2008
1. We already have a really, really good quarterback who is mobile but can also pass on roster.
2. Did TJ actually say Mullen hasn't developed a quarterback???
2. Did TJ actually say Mullen hasn't developed a quarterback???
Posted on 11/30/17 at 4:42 pm to AUCE05
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Apparently UF is a real player here.
Apparently you like to troll the board with nonsense.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 4:45 pm to Gatorbait2008
Getting Fields is about as realistic as us getting Kelly. Not gonna happen.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 4:57 pm to ForeverGator
And honestly we should have never wasted our time on trying to get either of them.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:58 pm to Gatorbait2008
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Because no one has ever flipped? If Mullen doesn't go after the best overall QB, he isn't doing his job.
Generally, not ones that are heavily recruiting for their current program of commitment. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is highly improbable. More importantly, he's probably going to cost you Corral and likely leave you with a ceiling of Jalen Mayden, the 4* currently committed to MSU... though I have to imagine that Moorhead is probably already trying to determine who intends to stick around in the class. No guarantees there, so could ostracize 2 QBs at one time for what likely amounts to a fruitless hail mary. If UF doesn't land any of the above, where does that put you... are there any "also ran" 4*/3* QBs in-state that you might have a chance if you decided to offer them? I legitimately don't know.
This feels like such an important position to not mess up in year 1 given that there really isn't a guy on the roster now that I think any UF fan is excited about. I assume the intent is likely trot out Trask to start the year, or at a minimum a competition between Franks and Trask to see who can operate in Mullen's system the best?
If Mullen misses in this cycle, it would seem to put UF behind the 8-ball pretty severely, since year 1 will have a sub-par QB most likely already on the roster, year 2 will have the same *OR* a true freshman (curious if anyone knows how many of Mullen's previous QBs have started as true freshmen vs RS and beyond)... so you're potentially in year 3 before you have some sort of reasonably decent product there...
That's why you don't rock the boat unless one of the 2 previous conditions I mentioned are suspected... 1) Mullen feels that he simply can't develop Corral into a successful QB in his system... this feels unlikely or 2) He feels confident that he will lose Corral regardless of his actions... also seems unlikely based on what he's said publicly, though that doesn't always tell the whole tale...
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
It seems UF fans need some history, if thinking UF shouldn't or can't recruit two QB's..well let's view our recent QB gets. Notice a trend? Now once again not saying UF gets him. Just saying you damn sure try.
- 2007 UF recruited Cam Newton and John Brantley - Both five star QB's - One dual, one pro
2011 - UF recruited both Driskel and Brissett - Five and highly rated four style. One dual - one pro
2014 - WIll Grier and Treon Harris - Both highly rated four stars. One pro style, one Dual(ath)
So the notion that UF can't recruit both, is absurd. We aren't losing Corral for going after Fields. Mullen's job is to get the best talent(barring character issues) each recruiting class.
If he isn't going after Fields, while keeping Corral, he isn't doing his job. Simple as that. You get the best players, and they sort out who is the starter on the field. I know UF fans like Forever Gator and TJ don't know much about UF's history, but they are negative Gators anyways just looking for a reason to whine.
Fields likely isn't coming to UF, but you damn sure try to get someone as elite as Fields. Not trying is a high level failure. Corral isn't leaving because UF visited Fields. Just like Brantley, Driskel, and Grier didn't leave. We have a long group of bad QB's. We need to land two really good ones like Georgia has in Eason and Fromm, Alabama has in Hurts and Tua. That's how you build a lineage of success.
So yes. Florida has to go after Fields. If we don't get him, we don't get him. Go ahead and down vote. I'm right. History shows it's common here.
- 2007 UF recruited Cam Newton and John Brantley - Both five star QB's - One dual, one pro
2011 - UF recruited both Driskel and Brissett - Five and highly rated four style. One dual - one pro
2014 - WIll Grier and Treon Harris - Both highly rated four stars. One pro style, one Dual(ath)
So the notion that UF can't recruit both, is absurd. We aren't losing Corral for going after Fields. Mullen's job is to get the best talent(barring character issues) each recruiting class.
If he isn't going after Fields, while keeping Corral, he isn't doing his job. Simple as that. You get the best players, and they sort out who is the starter on the field. I know UF fans like Forever Gator and TJ don't know much about UF's history, but they are negative Gators anyways just looking for a reason to whine.
Fields likely isn't coming to UF, but you damn sure try to get someone as elite as Fields. Not trying is a high level failure. Corral isn't leaving because UF visited Fields. Just like Brantley, Driskel, and Grier didn't leave. We have a long group of bad QB's. We need to land two really good ones like Georgia has in Eason and Fromm, Alabama has in Hurts and Tua. That's how you build a lineage of success.
So yes. Florida has to go after Fields. If we don't get him, we don't get him. Go ahead and down vote. I'm right. History shows it's common here.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:48 pm to Gatorbait2008
It's not about history, it's about: We already have a high 4* super committed to us, has been good to us, and has given us multiple chances to get other players. Could be said he singlehandedly held our class together.
And we're basically just telling him to go ahead and frick himself while recruiting his friend (Fields and Corral talk to each other) who is objectively better, but not so much better that we even think about putting Corral at risk.
This is a retarded gamble with very little upside -- you play low risk high reward, not high risk high reward. Especially when we already have several bodies at QB who can do well and one of the best quarterbacks in the country right now.
I like Mullen a lot, I think he's a great coach, but this is a risk we should have never even considered taking when we could have been visiting linebackers. We already have fricking quarterbacks everywhere, they aren't good, but they could very easily become good with some quality coaching.
And we're basically just telling him to go ahead and frick himself while recruiting his friend (Fields and Corral talk to each other) who is objectively better, but not so much better that we even think about putting Corral at risk.
This is a retarded gamble with very little upside -- you play low risk high reward, not high risk high reward. Especially when we already have several bodies at QB who can do well and one of the best quarterbacks in the country right now.
I like Mullen a lot, I think he's a great coach, but this is a risk we should have never even considered taking when we could have been visiting linebackers. We already have fricking quarterbacks everywhere, they aren't good, but they could very easily become good with some quality coaching.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 12:59 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
That four star has never set foot on a college field. So you don't put all your eggs in that basket. That is selling short both yourself and your program to not try to get the best players possible, especially at a position you have 0 quality players at.
It has very big upside. Landing Fields is the upside. Do you really think UF went to Fields behind Corral's back? No. Just like Corral looks out for his best interest and visits Bama, UF must look out for their best interest.
You have way to much riding on Corral. All year you have basically proclaimed him the savior of UF. He is a recruit. You can't just assume he will be elite.
UF HAS NO QB'S that are good enough to start in the SEC. So you go for the best you can possibly get. Notice each one of those on the list had a success, and a failure from our past two QB recruiting years? That should alarm you to the fact that Corral is not a sure fire success. So hedging your bets for the future of the program on a single recruit is a bad move. Go for both. If Fields isn't coming, get another QB. Corral will be fine. He isn't going anywhere.
It has very big upside. Landing Fields is the upside. Do you really think UF went to Fields behind Corral's back? No. Just like Corral looks out for his best interest and visits Bama, UF must look out for their best interest.
You have way to much riding on Corral. All year you have basically proclaimed him the savior of UF. He is a recruit. You can't just assume he will be elite.
UF HAS NO QB'S that are good enough to start in the SEC. So you go for the best you can possibly get. Notice each one of those on the list had a success, and a failure from our past two QB recruiting years? That should alarm you to the fact that Corral is not a sure fire success. So hedging your bets for the future of the program on a single recruit is a bad move. Go for both. If Fields isn't coming, get another QB. Corral will be fine. He isn't going anywhere.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 3:55 am to Gatorbait2008
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We aren't losing Corral for going after Fields
Uh... except they've both gone on record (back when both were interested in UGA) that they would not be going to the same school...
If you're dumb enough to think that there is no chance that visiting Fields could push Corral away, fine. No one said it *will* happen, but the fact that it's a possibility means Mullen probably should have given it some thought first. It's not like Corral committed to Mullen. Pretty easy to find a new good fit...
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Go ahead and down vote. I'm right.
No need... don't care enough. I do think the self proclamation of correctness is fun though. Never mind that essentially no one who is actually approaching *this situation* (not what has happened in totally different situations in the past) logically agree with you. UF has struggled to find an answer at QB since Tebow. Grier would have been the guy... buuuut Roids...
Time to see what Mullen can do for you.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 11:17 am to fibonaccisquared
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Uh... except they've both gone on record (back when both were interested in UGA) that they would not be going to the same school...
Because they're fricking friends like I just tried to explain to him. They talk to each other and 100% they said this, that they wanted to compete at different schools.
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If you're dumb enough to think that there is no chance that visiting Fields could push Corral away, fine. No one said it *will* happen, but the fact that it's a possibility means Mullen probably should have given it some thought first. It's not like Corral committed to Mullen. Pretty easy to find a new good fit...
Thank you.
A 30 - 40% risk for a 2% (I'm dropping from 5%) reward. It makes absolutely no sense. Develop Corral into the quarterback you want, don't go after a guy who has been Dog for a while, and will most likely remain Dog.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:57 pm to Gatorbait2008
Man, it is sooo nice to be able to watch Mullen squirm for a recruit without being emotionally invested. I don't know if he can get Fields, or not, but he hates recruiting so much. I really can't blame him, but it's just fun to see him have to work under a lot more pressure.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 4:20 am to Reservoir dawg
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Man, it is sooo nice to be able to watch Mullen squirm for a recruit without being emotionally invested. I don't know if he can get Fields, or not, but he hates recruiting so much. I really can't blame him, but it's just fun to see him have to work under a lot more pressure.
Well you see why he is going to be frustrated because it is very late of the year to just start recruiting. If he had jump ship right away a month ago or so then he would have more time and not be so stressed out.
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