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Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:29 pm to faka_ofo_ofa
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Saban made Tuberville retire.
Tuberville is the only Auburn coach that had much success against Bama.
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:51 pm to TideWarrior
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Saban has been doing NIL before it was legal
Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:35 am to Johnnycrane
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This is not 2015. That's the point I'm making. If you believe that Alabama can just sneeze and sign 5* like back in the day you're mistaken. Very seldom have you seen Auburn go head to head with Bama for a top recruit and win in the Saban era until now. If you compare that to the changing landscape of College football, I'm saying that the absolute strangle on college football thing is impossible now for ANYONE. That's how the Commissioners and higher ups wanted it. Wake up
Alabama has never just sneezed and gotten 5 stars. They have had to battle everyone all the time and have never gotten everyone they want. Sounds like you are just making shite up in your head
Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:55 am to Vidic
That's what you pick out of my statement? Lol Do I need to argue Alabama's dominance in recruiting against a Bama fan? What hell portal have I stepped into??? Lololol in the entire Saban era when did he have to fight to hold on to a 5* recruit against Auburn???? Bama has consistently been the top 3 for over a decade right? In this thread some of your fellow Bama buddies are bragging that if they lose players like Ryan Williams, they'll just casually sign another 5*. They signed 9 last year am I correct?
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 10:19 am to Johnnycrane
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in the entire Saban era when did he have to fight to hold on to a 5* recruit against Auburn????
Reuben Foster. Stop acting like recruiting battles are a new thing
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:33 am to Johnnycrane
You know, I’m very happy you guys have a coach with a pulse now. Recruiting is much different now, because players can be basically bought. The formula for success in the present and future will be to have a team that plays and moves as one, a team with great leadership and chemistry. Anyone who thinks Coach Saban is only a recruiter knows nothing about college football. I can tell a lot of you spouting off about recruiting success are very young. I am not. So everyone thump your chest about Auburn signing a highly ranked player. We’ll continue to do it without Jimmy Rane’s deep wallet, and we’ll continue to win titles. When Auburn wins not a recruiting battle, but anything of even small significance, please get back with me. I’ll hang up and listen now.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 11:40 am to BCBAMA
I think AU fans banging their chest over our recruiting is just as dumb as posts like yours that thinks Bama doesn’t spend money for recruits. You may be old but your thinking is as juvenile as the ones you think you’re posting to.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:29 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
I don’t see anywhere in his post claiming that Bama doesn’t spend money. This is a project on your part. He’s claiming that recruiting isn’t just about money. Recruits absolutely care about playing time, winning, development, etc.
It’s silly for Bama fans to insinuate that AU is just buying their players too. AU offers something very different to Bama currently - early playing time and chance to help “rebuild”.
His main point was that it’s silly to thump your chest over some high value recruits choosing AU. Every recruit is a battle, and AU is doing well… but not to the detriment of Bama like many AU fans seem to hope. Bama still signed a Top 2 class…
Now let’s see how your recruiting wins translate on the field, because that’s really all that matters. If a team had a Top 3 recruiting class every year and didn’t win anything of significance, I would argue their fans wouldn’t be too pleased.
It’s silly for Bama fans to insinuate that AU is just buying their players too. AU offers something very different to Bama currently - early playing time and chance to help “rebuild”.
His main point was that it’s silly to thump your chest over some high value recruits choosing AU. Every recruit is a battle, and AU is doing well… but not to the detriment of Bama like many AU fans seem to hope. Bama still signed a Top 2 class…
Now let’s see how your recruiting wins translate on the field, because that’s really all that matters. If a team had a Top 3 recruiting class every year and didn’t win anything of significance, I would argue their fans wouldn’t be too pleased.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 12:58 pm to Crimson_Chaos
Thinking about it myself I can maybe name 3-5 tops in 12-15 years that Bama may have had to worry about. Since Hugh freeze showed up I can name the same amount in less than a year. How are you guys struggling with this point?? It will be harder than it was and SOME Bama fans aren't being honest about that. It's simple
Posted on 12/24/23 at 1:02 pm to Crimson_Chaos
Most Auburn fans are pretty reasonable about the uphill battle they face against Saban. After 10-15 years of losing on the recruiting trail I don't blame a few overly zealous fans for spouting crazy trash talk. Every fanbase does this. There are just as many Bama fans that refuse to acknowledge that things are changing. It's the Rant
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 2:46 pm to Johnnycrane
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Thinking about it myself I can maybe name 3-5 tops in 12-15 years that Bama may have had to worry about. Since Hugh freeze showed up I can name the same amount in less than a year. How are you guys struggling with this point?? It will be harder than it was and SOME Bama fans aren't being honest about that. It's simple
Because you seem to not fricking get it? I understand you probably just started following recruiting, but it doesn’t matter if auburn flips or gets some players that Alabama wants. They are still going to sign top 2 classes consistently. How is it any harder than Alabama battling with UGA or Ohio state?
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Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:05 pm to Vidic
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I understand you probably just started following recruiting
I guess we need to cut these kids some slack… they are still learning what recruiting relevance is like
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:07 pm to Vidic
You tell me. In 2021 and 2023 Auburn took Bama to the wire with inferior talent now they're signing guys like Cam Coleman. Yes, Bama has always had competition from Ohio st, Georgia, LSU ect but now having a team with their level of talent in state(maybe) plus the new playoff format will prevent them from being DOMINANT. That's all I'm saying. Yes Bama will sign good players and compete for a championship, but not nearly as frequent over the next decade. Is that really insane to you guys??
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:18 pm to Johnnycrane
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ct but now having a team with their level of talent in state(maybe) plus the new playoff format will prevent them from being DOMINANT
Ah yes signing top 2 classes and being in a playoff format that will have them in the playoffs every year will prevent them from being dominant cause auburn will take a few in state recruits Alabama wants
Posted on 12/24/23 at 3:43 pm to Vidic
This system has created more parody for everyone. Also what if those few state recruits have Julio jones/Devonta smith level talent? I'm speaking about people being absolutely blind or dismissive of the changing college football landscape. I've seen Bama fans who behave like Bama will just keep winning championships at the same pace as they did the last 15 years. I disagree
Posted on 12/24/23 at 4:27 pm to Johnnycrane
1. It’s parity, not parody
2. I’m not entrenched in the view that Bama doesn’t pay, takes whichever recruits they want, and is guaranteed future championships. Additionally, I’m not of the belief that a Top 10 recruiting class will turn AU into Goliath. Taking Bama to the wire in a rivalry game doesn’t mean AU is on their way to an elite program with sustained excellence. AU fans are cherry picking arguments. You lost to New Mexico State. Arkansas almost came back to beat Bama. TN murdered Bama in the first half. This Bama team has been inconsistent. A near loss and a Top 10 class is not the turning point you think it is. Your program is headed in a better direction than years past. Be happy with that.
2. I’m not entrenched in the view that Bama doesn’t pay, takes whichever recruits they want, and is guaranteed future championships. Additionally, I’m not of the belief that a Top 10 recruiting class will turn AU into Goliath. Taking Bama to the wire in a rivalry game doesn’t mean AU is on their way to an elite program with sustained excellence. AU fans are cherry picking arguments. You lost to New Mexico State. Arkansas almost came back to beat Bama. TN murdered Bama in the first half. This Bama team has been inconsistent. A near loss and a Top 10 class is not the turning point you think it is. Your program is headed in a better direction than years past. Be happy with that.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 4:34 pm to Johnnycrane
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This system has created more parody for everyone.
I would argue that the current system has created less parity across the board. Yes until NIL and transfer portal as it is today maybe 5 programs each year got the majority of top talent with the rest spread across the country. But now many programs that before could land a decent class because they can win 9 or 10 games and go to a decent bowl no longer will because programs with a lot of financial resources will grab those recruits even when their program can barely break .500. So no there is less parity in CFB now than ever before as we are headed towards two super conferences where over half the teams in DI will no longer be a factor.
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I've seen Bama fans who behave like Bama will just keep winning championships at the same pace as they did the last 15 years. I disagree
How? NIL is not new this year nor is the transfer portal. Yet UA once again is in the playoffs with a great chance to win another NC. We were almost there last year and with 12 teams coming next year I would wager as long as Saban is at UA we will be in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 12/24/23 at 4:40 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I think AU fans banging their chest over our recruiting
It is well deserved compared what has happened in regard to recruiting prior to Freeze coming in.
In the end though we saw what happened at a&m with deep pockets and that it does not translate to wins. So time will tell and the new system now coaches no longer have time because players will just leave.
The game is now based on a player's market with the coaches having to navigate the landscape. Freeze has always been able to recruit and create a dynamic offense, but can he sustain with the current system as we have seen many that cannot. Time will tell.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 5:55 pm to Crimson_Chaos
I never said Auburn would become an ultimate power, just a viable threat in state that Bama hasn't had to deal with for many years. One top 10 class isn't a turning point, but our 2025 class which is already top 5 will become a turning point. Auburn has never had a better roster talent wise after 2008 against Bama. Auburn has had the best Player maybe twice, but there has never been a time since the Sabans second year where we had a talent advantage. Oh and (Parity) lol thanks lolol
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