re: Alabama signee Derrick Henry pregame speech

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Looking at the stats, how did Greg Pruitt not win the Heisman in 1971?

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Because OU ran the wishbone. Same reason why Graham Harrell didn't win the Heisman at Texas Tech despite absurd statistical numbers


Fluker Flakes you are still ignoring the primary argument that as far as heisman contenders goes in this era of college football, Mark Ingram would not compete with them. Trent Richardson's season last year would have beaten him out. (TRich would have been a well deserving Heisman had it not been for RGIII)


Also, NFL does not equal CFB. Stop trying to compare the two. Tim Tebow is the best example of stud Heisman CFB player and arguably Jemarcus Russell bad at QB i the NFL

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Gerhart sucks dude. He's a fumbling machine in the NFL, he has as many fumbles as he does

Put ingram in the PAC and he dominates

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We're not comparing their games in the NFL so how many fumbled he has is irrelevant. What a pointless point.

And even if Ingram was in the PAC it wouldn't matter. The key to his success was the O-Line. If u switched Gerhart and Ingram's teams, Gerhart would win the Heisman not Ingram. IMO neither deserved the Heisman.

And if you switched Ingram and Gerhart, Ingram would go for well over 2500 total yards from scrimmage. Stanford ran a pro set with focus on OL just like Bama did. But the difference was they played in the PAC. Seriously, there wasn't 1 legit defense out of Stanford's entire schedule that year. It is the reason Stanford does well....because they have had coaches that don't run BS spread type O's. They line up with 2 TE sets and mash. The PAC isn't and wasn't set to defend that type offense.

Top 25 defenses each faced before Heisman ceremony:

Ingram = 5
Gerhart = 2 (and 1 of these 2 was Arizona ranked 25th)

Seriously, the 2 toughest defenses Gerhart saw were Arizona and Arizona St. Pathetic. And Ingram put up 3 TDs the day before Heisman voting started against the #4 ranked total D in the country, Florida. He then followed it up with 2 TDs and over 100 yards against what was the #1 ranked rush D, Texas.

I still don't see how Pat Sullivan won the Heisman in '71. His and Archie Griffin's (second time) wins are among the worst in Heisman Trophy history.

Pat Sullivan is by far the shittiest winner ever, got his arse spanked by Bama 31-7

So... What did Henry day about the Heisman in his pregame speech?

That was the hardest football erection I've ever had

Here's another one.

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You're ignoring the fact that the line did the work not Ingram. Yeah he had 3 TD's but they weren't spectacular. He had one of 7, 3, and, 1 yards. TD's are an overrated stat anyways. It takes more talent to get yards than TD's. You're also ignoring the fact that Ingram only averaged 4 ypc against Florida. That is not a Heisman worthy number. So stop hiding behind the 3 TD's against the #4 defense fisaad. I could've ran those 3 in with Bama's line.

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You ain't very bright.

Ingram against Florida that year put 189 total yards of offense.

You are ignoring the fact that Ingram on the year faced many more legit defenses than Gerhart AND put up a whole yard higher YPC than Gerhart did.

And you act like Bama's OL in 2009 was the GOAT or something. It wasn't.

James Carpenter - JUCO 1st year starter
Mike Johnson - senior 3rd year starting
William Vlachos - RS sophmore 1st year starting
Barrett Jones - true freshman 1st year starter
Drew Davis - 2nd year starter


The OL had 3 brand new starters and Barret Jones was a true freshman. This wasn't near like the OL bama put out this past year.

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I was about to chime in

09's OL was a bit overhyped by the media, like FF stated Carpenter is a starter for the Seahawks, Drew Davis, Vlachos and Mike Johnson aren't starting material in the NFL by any means, now even as a TF Barrett was a beastly OG and better than any OL that's played in the SEC in 30 yrs (if you look at his overall body of work at Bama it is absolutely and utterly astounding)

Now that argument is more valid for this yrs line and Lacy than Ingrams Heisman yr

Also the year Pat won it was historic in the Iron Bowl rivalry because the Heisman club was so embarrassed after AU lost to Bama like they did, the club changed the award ceremony date to AFTER all the CFB reg season games are played, just a neat fact in IB history

Ingram also had the most YAC for a RB since the 70s

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If it wasn't for the IB blemish, Pat Sullivan would have easily deserved the heisman. He still was a good candidate in his year.


I think Mark Ingram deserved it in his year over the other candidates. The only argument I am posing the whole time is for his time period/era he had a historically weak field of competition and wouldn't be a top 3 in pretty much the past decade.