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Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:48 pm to MoarKilometers
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:48 pm to MoarKilometers
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MoarKilometers
you have no fricking clue what you're talking about
as usual
Daniel
you fricking 5'4 135 pound psycho pussy racist fig
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Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:51 pm to MoarKilometers
bullshite.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:51 pm to Che Boludo
I’m distantly related to Lee. The guy I posted in the link earlier an uncle was married to Zelia Destrehan and owned the Destrehan plantation in New Orleans. They had land and a vacation home in Virginia and somehow had ties to Lee but I don’t remember how. I have an interesting family history
It is sad history isn’t taught in context. Slavery was abhorrent but we cannot understand the way people thought back then. It was more economics than racial hatred. People were loyal to their state more than the US. Remember back then very few people knew anyone from other states, travel was limited. Most people never left the county they were born in. So they didn’t give a shite in Mississippi what someone in New York did or thought. All they knew was policies passed by northern congressmen hurt their pocketbook.
My ancestor who had Destrehan was part of a Tribunal council who executed slaves after a sugar plantation revolt. But I have a copy of his final will and testament where he spoke out on the horrors of slavery and that it was simply an economic necessity. In his will he left parcels of land to his slaves and freed them with the land designated for form a freed slave incorporated town of their own. But govt officials shut it down after his death claiming he wasn’t in “sound mind” or some bullshite.
The whole era and issues of that era are so complicated and in depth it’s a shame it’s not taught in schools properly and is watered down to “racist evil southerners” because while that existed there was way more to it.
It is sad history isn’t taught in context. Slavery was abhorrent but we cannot understand the way people thought back then. It was more economics than racial hatred. People were loyal to their state more than the US. Remember back then very few people knew anyone from other states, travel was limited. Most people never left the county they were born in. So they didn’t give a shite in Mississippi what someone in New York did or thought. All they knew was policies passed by northern congressmen hurt their pocketbook.
My ancestor who had Destrehan was part of a Tribunal council who executed slaves after a sugar plantation revolt. But I have a copy of his final will and testament where he spoke out on the horrors of slavery and that it was simply an economic necessity. In his will he left parcels of land to his slaves and freed them with the land designated for form a freed slave incorporated town of their own. But govt officials shut it down after his death claiming he wasn’t in “sound mind” or some bullshite.
The whole era and issues of that era are so complicated and in depth it’s a shame it’s not taught in schools properly and is watered down to “racist evil southerners” because while that existed there was way more to it.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:01 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
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Harry Rex Vonner
Didn’t read. Voted down.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:04 pm to deltaland
Go watch his live performance with Buck Owens.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:08 pm to deltaland
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more economics than racial hatred.
For the elites, it was all economics.
But, no matter where one stood on pro or anti-slavery in the North or the South.
The majority historical opinion was that it was class based bias that led to racism. In large part, it was what led to the issues that permeated the Civil Rights Era and into today. There is a school of thought that had the War never occurred and the dying institution ran its course. All races would have assimilated together more smoothly. But, we do have a "don't tell us what to do attitude."
The vast majority of Confederates were non-slave owners. That didn't mean they wouldn't have aspired to own slaves and ascend the social hierarchy a rung or two if given the opportunity.
But, it was propaganda that the Union was impeding on Southern Rights that rallied the cause. The closer truth is that the poorest of the poor white Southerner could at least lay claim that they were White and not black or Indian, so they still held a hierarchical position over some.
Those were all vestiges to the English colonial influence to which the Southerners were a stark reminder. British officer observers of the Civil War made such claims that the sense of honor, propriety and class in the South was very British in nature.
It's easy to pick apart all the bad in where the Nation started, but the truth remains, the USA isn't the dominant power of the mid-to late 1900s and into today without that history.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:09 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Heaven forbid that douchebag Bowl Jackson listens to the Bellamy Brothers anthem to Dixie. He'd be skyscreaming like a Portland progressive.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:11 pm to deltaland
That is also a cool family history
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:18 pm to Che Boludo
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class based bias that led to racism. In large part, it was what led to the issues that permeated the Civil Rights Era and into today. There is a school of thought that had the War never occurred and the dying institution ran its course. All races would have assimilated together more smoothly. But, we do have a "don't tell us what to do attitude."
Possibly. I enjoy the intelligent discussions on history and differing theories but this isn’t the board to really get into all of that
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:25 pm to lastfan
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Does this thread
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Go 6 pages
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:28 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
I need a young priest and an old priest.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:32 pm to SCLibertarian
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:33 pm to 1BIGTigerFan
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:14 pm to deltaland
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I enjoy the intelligent discussions on history
Same.
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but this isn’t the board to really get into all of that
Intelligent conversation is rarely the place for this board. Agreed.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:21 pm to Che Boludo
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Intelligent conversation is rarely the place for this board.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:25 pm to Che Boludo
What I don't understand is why couldn't the United States Government help the south become more economically sound where it could be easier for them to phase out slavery?
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:43 pm to dchog
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What I don't understand is why couldn't the United States Government help the south become more economically sound where it could be easier for them to phase out slavery?
It was on both sides. The South held the economic power since inception due to the ag goods trade. Industrialization and a move to urbanization was beginning to shift power to northern manufacturing. Many were held to the legacy of the South. The US was less than a decade away from agricultural mechanization that would have made slave labor irrelevant and too costly.
ETA: the entire Statesrights argument falls flat when one recognizes the straw that broke the camel's back was that the Federal Government failed to enforce slave runaway return laws in Free States as it compromised those state's rights to allow for free men to simply live freely.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:51 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Great song. Thanks.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:05 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
I don't identify with that even a little bit.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:25 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Look Away
Look Away
Look Away
Dixie Land
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